Posted on 06/05/2013 2:21:55 AM PDT by servo1969
Dear Stacey:
You have written demanding an apology for my recent characterization of the Mormon religion as "non-Christian." I am happy to write a public letter of apology to you and to the countless Mormon readers who responded negatively to my characterization.
I am sorry that so many of my Mormon readers have brazenly accused me of ignorance of their religion and suggested that I read the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that they were unaware that I read the Book of Mormon back in 2006.
I am sorry that the science of genetics has refuted claims made in the Book of Mormon concerning the relationship between Native Americans and Semitic people. These refutations undermine the entire historical premise of the Book of Mormon.
I am also sorry that while archeological discovery supports the claims of the Bible it clearly does not support the claims of the Book of Mormon. Battles that were supposed to have occurred in specific locations in North America simply never took place. The archeological evidence just isn't there.
I am sorry about the plagiarism of the Holy Bible that runs through the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that Mormons cannot see that Joseph Smith's refusal to reveal the golden tablets is strong evidence of their nonexistence. The heavy plagiarism in the Book of Mormon puts the lie to the rest of the story of Smith, the former seeker of the lost treasures of Captain Kidd.
I am sorry that my Mormon readers have put all their eggs in one basket by constantly writing to me quoting Matthew 7:16. So I am sorry that I must now apply that verse to the very first Mormon.
I am sorry that among the 33 well-documented plural wives of Joseph Smith, there were close to a dozen unions in which the wife was already married to another man.
I am sorry that in his lifetime, Joseph Smith married four different pairs of sisters. I am sorry that Joseph Smith married a young woman and also married her mother.
I am sorry that some of Joseph Smith's marriages were the result of religious coercion secured only after he told the prospective bride that marrying him would ensure the bride’s place in heaven. I am sorry that Smith also coerced teenagers into marrying him by promising their families a place in heaven.
I am sorry that Joseph Smith kept fourteen-year-old Helen Mar Kimball from marrying her sweetheart Horace Whitney because he wanted to marry the teenager instead. I am sorry that Joseph Smith also asked Helen’s father Heber C. Kimball to give him his wife.
I am sorry that before he eventually married Helen, Joseph Smith gave her a 24-hour deadline to give in to his offer of a place in heaven. I am sorry that two years after the death of Joseph Smith, Helen married her old sweetheart Horace Whitney. I am sorry that the marriage between Helen and Horace was only temporary because Helen was already "sealed" by marriage to Joseph Smith for eternity. I am sorry that Horace Whitney was "sealed" to an already dead Mormon woman before his “temporary” marriage to Helen.
I am sorry that after her mother died, Joseph Smith approached teenager Lucy Walker with a command that she marry Smith with the threat of eternal damnation as the punishment if she refused. I am sorry that the year before Joseph Smith died, he said the following to Lucy: “I will give you until tomorrow to decide (whether to marry me). If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.”
I am sorry that the Book of Mormon, which Joseph Smith claims to have transcribed from the golden plates given to him by the Angel Moroni, says the following: “Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, Saith the Lord.” (Jacob 2:24).
I am sorry that Joseph Smith said the following shortly before his death: "(W)hen I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my father, so that he may obtain kingdom among kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.”
I am sorry that Smith’s polytheism is not consistent with John 14:6. I am also sorry that since these are the words of Christ, polytheism cannot be Christian. Moreover, I am sorry, my Mormon friends, but the the words of Christ trump the words of Joseph Smith who will never be God.
I am sorry that Mormonism teaches that Christ was not there in the beginning, that god was just a man who became God by following a moral code he did not create, and that we may all become gods by following the same moral code that predates the existence of Jesus. I am sorry that the theological mess caused by Joseph Smith is irreconcilable with the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Finally, I am sorry that my Mormon readers have unfairly accused me of criticizing Mormonism without doing my homework. But I am glad I did. Now I understand the significance of Galatians 1:6-9.
Ok; just WHAT do we have to do to get G-D to do the saving?
Of course not.
Just WHERE is an established NOAHIDE court?
Can he assume any shape he wants?
Why not?
But what about the inverse, is God powerful enough to take human form and dwell among us.
If he can make man...
Sincere repentance. No human sacrifices,no blood. Just sincere repentance. G-d is the ONLY savior.
G-d never,ever took human form. He did not change His mind on the subject.
Since there is a lot of scriptural evidence I want to direct you to www.messiahtruth.yuku.com. There’s too much for me to write and the individuals on the site are highly educated about Judaism and Christianity along with Greek and Hebrew.
But he could if he wanted to, correct?
I have viewed the Jewish information before it has merit as does Christian information. It will all boil down to what one sees as God’s purpose in sending a Messiah. As Christians we see Christ less as one carrying on tradition and more as a game changer in the relationship between God and his creation man.
We are not to have an intermediary between G-d and ourselves.
The Torah is eternal and unchangeable. Christianity has changed the Torah and Jesus did not obey Jewish Law.
When G-d sends the fully human messiah,who will not be worshipped,there will be immense changes that have yet to happen. Jesus did not fulfill any of the requirements.
Who said anything about an intermediary. You argument is that God did not become man, Christians know that he did, so there is no intermediary.
And you are correct, Jesus did not obey Jewish law, that was the point...
As far as changing and requirements, I beg to differ...
As I have stated before,the Torah is binding and eternal and is not to be changed. Also, Jesus is used as a intermediary to get to G-d,correct?
Perhaps one of the biggest issues is that he never claimed to be G-d. This idea was thought up at the Councils of Nicea and Constantinople. Weren't the Gospels written at least 40 years after Jesus' death? The contradictions of Matthew,Mark,Luke and John are astounding. Who do you believe?
The Torah was written centuries ago and was never changed.
The Christian “Old Testament” is not the same because it has been changed. Nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures does it say that G-d is a man or that Jesus is the prophesied messiah and savior. Nowhere does it say that the only repentance is through blood.
The Jews’ scriptures came long before the Christian bible. It was the Christians who went ahead and rewrote the Tanach.
“The Christian “Old Testament” is not the same because it has been changed. “
Sorry, but I’ve read the Jewish Publication translation of the Old Testament. The only difference is in that one verse, they just don’t translate the “Mighty God, Prince of Peace, Wonderful, Counselor, Eternal Father” etc, they leave it in Hebrew, based on the silly premise that it’s just one really long name. Kind of like Joseph, or Israel, except several times the size.
I believe in Jesus.
Yes God fulfilled the law and went beyond, bringing forgiveness to all who will come and believe in him. Again that was the point.
As far a Jesus never claiming to be God, well...
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
There are others of course. Of course if you feel there are contradictions then it matters little what the Word says...
I confess Christ as my Lord and Savior also.
Thanks for that definitive verse.
It is a rather strong one.
I like the very last part, it makes my point:
“but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
As long as it is backwards in ones mind yes it is hard to grasp and yes it is blasphamey, but it is clear, it was not a man who makest himself God, but God who came to us as a man in the flesh and dwelt among us.
That is the true beauty of the message...
The Torah is the only word of G-d
It is not to be changed nor added to. This is what Christianity has done which is strictly forbidden.
Can you explain the major differences between what Matthew,Mark,Luke and John say about the crucifixion and the resurrection? Why do they contradict each other?
Can you SHOW me where this is written down; or is it passed between adherents orally?
We allow cutting and pasting here.
You have claimed this before.
SHOW me that changes you say have occurred.
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