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Forbes.com renews attention to widely disparaged “low-energy nuclear reactions”
Physics Today ^ | May 28, 2013 | Steven T. Corneliussen

Posted on 05/29/2013 5:04:01 PM PDT by Kevmo

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To: Kevmo
Are you jokers here to deride other Freepers’ comments or to further scientific knowledge?

I enjoy reading the articles and commentary, but I'm likely to crack wise when I post, so usually I don't. Doesn't mean I find the work amusing or worthy of derision, I just don't have much of value to add. And I chuckled a bit at the comments by those other guys. Sorry 'bout that.

21 posted on 05/29/2013 8:27:26 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Moonman62

AM isn’t nearly as forgiving when one pours gasoline on others’ threads, though....


22 posted on 05/29/2013 8:31:07 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Kevmo
I hope the E-Cat is more successful for Forbes than the Cue-Cat.
23 posted on 05/29/2013 8:33:52 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ccmay

I had one of those given to me. I never installed it, couldn’t see the point. Now, QR codes are becoming ubiquitous. Saw one on a bus the other day that I presume takes your smartphone to a bus schedule or something. Maybe it was an item that was before its time?


24 posted on 05/29/2013 8:50:24 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Moonman62

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


25 posted on 05/29/2013 9:36:15 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Thanks 4 Creating The Thread T4CTT.


26 posted on 05/29/2013 10:38:39 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AZLiberty

Interesting acronym.


27 posted on 05/29/2013 10:51:53 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

I have a deep (non-financial) interest in “cold fusion”. I appreciate your keeping the topic alive on FR, despite the negative feedback.


28 posted on 05/30/2013 12:01:53 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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My interest is about to become deeply financial on top of what I’ve been saying. Once again, I intend to put my money where my mouth is.

What could A.I.Root have done to demonstrate his belief beyond being the first person to publish scientific information about the Wright brothers’ flight in the face of tremendous opposition? He could have put his meager money where his mouth was.

But at that time, since the Wright brothers were accepting $50,000 increments, what could such a meagre investor do? Well, looking back with 20/20 vision, there are some things he could have done. And with similar vision, I intend to invest accordingly.

Thank you for your participation.


29 posted on 05/30/2013 12:10:05 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
Are you jokers here to deride other Freepers’ comments or to further scientific knowledge?

If there were anything scientific to discuss, I'd be all over it. "Cold fusion" or "LENR" (whatever you want to call it) is a total scam. Everything about Andrea Rossi screams, "Con man!" And I have suspicions about why you keep posting about an obvious scam. I'm not a gambler, so I don't know how one profits from betting. But I suspect that your constantly posting about this scam is an effort to keep the betting on E-Cat alive over there at E-Trade.

Betting on E-Cat isn't the same as investing in a concept that you believe has real potential. Have you given money to Andrea Rossi or one of his fake corporations yet? Have you placed down payment on an E-Cat yet?

30 posted on 05/30/2013 3:26:24 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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So then by your own acknowledgment, this is your contribution to a scientific thread — derision. How does that further scientific knowledge? It doesn’t. How is it that the PTBs say that such behavior doesn’t qualify as anti-science?

Here’s the basics: A Freeper logs onto a thread, talks about some scientific aspect of it, and tries to further the knowledge available. A different freeper logs onto the same thread and spreads insults, derision, and stuff that comes out the back end of a bull. Which of these 2 freepers is legitimately pro-science? Which one is Anti-science?
The answer is: Your freeping behavior is anti-science.

If there were anything scientific to discuss, I’d be all over it. “Cold fusion” or “LENR” (whatever you want to call it) is a total scam.
***There is something scientific to discuss: Independently measured power densities. But you aren’t discussing that, you are here to deride and spread anti-scientific sentiment. Whatever I wanna call it — ok then, LENR. The Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times, and that was before Rossi ever came onto the scene. For those 14000 replications to be a scam would require the widest conspiracy theory in history. It is utterly rational to think that this is not the case. Yet that doesn’t stop anti-science activists from screaming at the top of their lungs over anything LENR related: “Con! Scam!”


31 posted on 05/30/2013 8:07:35 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Everything about Andrea Rossi screams, “Con man!”
***So when these 7 scientists were tasked with reading multimeters and thermometers attached to his box, don’t you think they triple-checked their readings before publishing them? Or are they part of your ever-widening conspiracy that includes 14,700 times the effect was replicated even prior to Rossi showing up? If you were really here to further science, you would honestly and genuinely address these things.


32 posted on 05/30/2013 8:11:10 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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"If "cold fusion" didn't violate so many laws of physics, and were a real phenomenon, we'd have seen it already in nature."

Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that we "have" seen it in nature. The same people are denying THAT just as strongly as they are LENR, and with as little justification.....it doesn't match their theories.

Julian Schwinger stated what should be obvious.....the physics of the solid state is different from that of a high-energy plasma.

To put it another way, "quantum fusion" differs from "thermonuclear fusion" in just the same way that picking a lock differs from using a battering ram.

33 posted on 05/30/2013 8:15:22 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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"I guess I could be “more scientific” and enlist Mann, Jones, Hansen and Gore to come to your rescue. They are especially expert at creating conclusions without facts or data to back them up .... sort of like the snake oil salesmen of days long ago."

Actually, your analogy is precisely backwards...Mann, Jones, Gore (and many other AGW pushers) are doing precisely what the LENR denialists are.......pushing results based on theory rather than on experiment.

And theirs is not even a decent theory. Freeman Dyson put it this way....the AGW types are basing all their theories on simplistic physics (light absorption, reflection, etc) while totally ignoring any effect of the biosphere. Many, many biological processes effect, for instance, cloud formation.

Suggest you read up on the EXPERIMENTAL results of LENR.

34 posted on 05/30/2013 8:22:36 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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And I have suspicions about why you keep posting about an obvious scam.
***Exactly how does a post like that contribute to the furtherance of science? It doesn’t. But it sure contributes to the furtherance of anti-science. It is also a classic fallacy known as poisoning the well. I posted LENR articles on FR long before Rossi showed up. So your ever-widening conspiracy theory now includes LENR advocates prior to this questionable character Rossi showing up, as if afficianados were in cahoots long before he started his Ringling Brothers act.

I’m not a gambler, so I don’t know how one profits from betting. But I suspect that your constantly posting about this scam is an effort to keep the betting on E-Cat alive over there at E-Trade.
***You probably mean Intrade, which is shut down. There was no LENR contract to bet on anyways. Since your suspicion is alleviated, will you be withdrawing it in the name of furtherance of science? Highly, highly doubtful. Because you are NOT here to further science. You are here to deride other freepers and conduct in a way that is anti-science.

Betting on E-Cat isn’t the same as investing in a concept that you believe has real potential.
***Exactly how would a sincere LENR afficianado do such a thing? It’s not like you can buy stock in ECat on Wall Street.

Have you given money to Andrea Rossi
***He isn’t taking money from afficianados. If he has taken money, it is big money. None of those big money investors are squawking “Scam”, are they? So why are you? In the absence of evidence of a scam, arguing for it is a classic fallacy of arguing from silence.

or one of his fake corporations yet?
***Why would someone invest in a fake corporation? How does your comment further science? It doesn’t. It furthers anti-science.

Have you placed down payment on an E-Cat yet?
***Rossi is not accepting down payments yet.


35 posted on 05/30/2013 8:23:19 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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"If there were anything scientific to discuss, I'd be all over it. "Cold fusion" or "LENR" (whatever you want to call it) is a total scam."

As opinionated and ignorant as ever. Read Beaudette's book and grow wise.

36 posted on 05/30/2013 8:25:53 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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Julian Schwinger stated what should be obvious.....the physics of the solid state is different from that of a high-energy plasma. ***Yup. Here's a case in point: High Temperature Superconduction. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg81615.html "There have been more than 60,000 papers published on high-temperature superconductive material since its discovery in 1986," said Jak Chakhalian, professor of physics at the University of Arkansas. "Unfortunately, as of today we have *zero theoretical understanding* of the mechanism behind this enigmatic phenomenon. In my mind, the high-temperature superconductivity is the most important unsolved mystery of condensed matter physics." After over 60000 published papers, way more than LENR, and as the expert himself says, "we have zero theoretical understanding of the mechanism." Obviously they don't know how to make simple measurements, and must be engaged in a massive instance of self-delusion/group-think, or the grandest conspiracy to maintain their funding. Makes LENR look like small potatoes. -Mark Iverson
37 posted on 05/30/2013 8:37:28 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"If "cold fusion" didn't violate so many laws of physics, and were a real phenomenon, we'd have seen it already in nature."
Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that we "have" seen it in nature.

Prove it. Other than muon catalyzed cold fusion there is nothing accepted by science.

38 posted on 05/30/2013 9:07:40 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
As opinionated and ignorant as ever. Read Beaudette's book and grow wise.

Why don't you summarize it here, or are you unable to defend it?

39 posted on 05/30/2013 9:08:40 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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Have you placed down payment on an E-Cat yet?
***Rossi is not accepting down payments yet.

Rossi's scam is to sell distribution rights. He'll never sell a working Ecat to a legitimate customer.

40 posted on 05/30/2013 9:11:59 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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