[Wonder Warthog]

"If "cold fusion" didn't violate so many laws of physics, and were a real phenomenon, we'd have seen it already in nature."

Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that we "have" seen it in nature. The same people are denying THAT just as strongly as they are LENR, and with as little justification.....it doesn't match their theories.

Julian Schwinger stated what should be obvious.....the physics of the solid state is different from that of a high-energy plasma.

To put it another way, "quantum fusion" differs from "thermonuclear fusion" in just the same way that picking a lock differs from using a battering ram.

[Kevmo]

Julian Schwinger stated what should be obvious.....the physics of the solid state is different from that of a high-energy plasma. ***Yup. Here's a case in point: High Temperature Superconduction. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg81615.html "There have been more than 60,000 papers published on high-temperature superconductive material since its discovery in 1986," said Jak Chakhalian, professor of physics at the University of Arkansas. "Unfortunately, as of today we have *zero theoretical understanding* of the mechanism behind this enigmatic phenomenon. In my mind, the high-temperature superconductivity is the most important unsolved mystery of condensed matter physics." After over 60000 published papers, way more than LENR, and as the expert himself says, "we have zero theoretical understanding of the mechanism." Obviously they don't know how to make simple measurements, and must be engaged in a massive instance of self-delusion/group-think, or the grandest conspiracy to maintain their funding. Makes LENR look like small potatoes. -Mark Iverson

[Moonman62]

"If "cold fusion" didn't violate so many laws of physics, and were a real phenomenon, we'd have seen it already in nature."

Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that we "have" seen it in nature.

Prove it. Other than muon catalyzed cold fusion there is nothing accepted by science.

[exDemMom]

Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that we "have" seen it in nature. The same people are denying THAT just as strongly as they are LENR, and with as little justification.....it doesn't match their theories.

Really. Give examples. Provide the references. Only peer-reviewed references in established reputable physics journals, please. I won't consider "papers" posted on an online "physics journal" that was created for the purpose of publishing stuff that couldn't possibly be published in a real scientific journal.