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1 posted on 05/26/2013 1:48:13 AM PDT by djf
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Gold and Silver are commodities with high stockpile-to-restock ratio. This means that there is a large stock of Gold and Silver compared with the yearly increase in those metals from mining.

Backwardation in this kind of asset is extremely significant. It means that traders are unwilling to enter into a contract to buy Gold at a distant date - even though there is notionally a lot of Gold available in the system.

Which is another way of saying - they don’t think they will get what they paid for. Gold backwardation would be a sign of a run on the LBMA bullion system - and the trainwreck collapse of the global fiat system.


2 posted on 05/26/2013 2:26:31 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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Soros is manipulating the market. Paper gold is affecting the market. Gold and silver are used in electronics and are of value like money so they will always have value.
7 posted on 05/26/2013 5:26:49 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Backwardation does not mean that spot price is meaningless. As noted above, backwardation is a market condition in which the price for some commodity to be delivered today (gold, wheat, pork bellies, Idaho potatos, whatever) is higher than the price for the same commodity delivered in the future.

Most users of commodities are happy to purchase them via a futures contract. "I'll buy 10,000 tons of wheat at $XX a ton, to be delivered in 90 days." If he and a seller agree on $xx then the buyer waits 90 days and takes delivery on the specified date.

But, what if the buyer has some reasonable doubt that the wheat he can purchase in that futures contract will actually be "there" to be delivered?

Well, to be Really Safe he might insist on taking delivery of the wheat 90 days before he needs it, storing it himself, just to be certain that he has it available for making bread, crackers, and flour.

And, if a lot of buyers are making that kind of demand, then the price per ton of wheat delivered TODAY goes higher than the price of wheat delivered 90 days from now. Like anything else in a market, increasing demand is always reflected in icreases in price.

This condition is called "backwardation" (yeah, I think it's a clumsy term too), because it names a market condition that is "backward" (so far as pricing is concerned) from what you'd find in markets that are not impacted by doubts concerning the availability of a commodity in the future.

In ordinary conditions, a futures contract for wheat will be somewhat higher in cost, because the seller will incur "management costs" (acquiring the commodity himself if he doesn't already have it; storing it; transporting it from where he got it to where he has to deliver it; etc.), and the seller will want to pass those management costs along to the purchaser of a futures contract. And, so, the price of wheat for delivery TODAY is ordinarily going to be lower than the price of wheat delivered in 90 days.

Unless, that is, the buyers of wheat are worried that the sellers of wheat 90 days from now won't be able to fulfill those contracts. In that case, the demand for wheat delivered TODAY increases, and when it increases so much that the price is higher than wheat delivered 90 days from now -- well, then the prices are "backward" from what they normally are. Hence, the term "backwardation."

8 posted on 05/26/2013 5:30:29 AM PDT by Brandybux (Oportet ministros manus lavare antequam latrinam relinquent.)
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but what does this whole thing mean exactly?

It means there is an underlying fear the real thing won't be as readily available in the future as paper contracts portend.

15 posted on 05/26/2013 7:21:45 AM PDT by Errant
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If you're bearish on the price of gold you can't short the physical metal, you can short the futures. So, if major market players are placing downside bets in gold, the futures will trade cheap.

You often see this in emerging market equity indexes where, e.g, the futures on the Israeli TA-25 index will often be in backwardation. Smart fund managers use this as a free way to pick up carry versus a long-only mandate; the manager of an Israeli stock fund would just buy the cheap futures instead of holding real stock.

Well-managed gold ETFs should outperform physical gold while this continues.

17 posted on 05/26/2013 8:13:46 AM PDT by Vide
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