Posted on 05/24/2013 6:35:28 PM PDT by Kevmo
a guvmint conspiracy, I doubt it
Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by fecklessness.
The bottom line (for me, at least) is this: If this is true then Rossi would be rich enough to hire Bill Gates to shine his shoes.
So... what is he waiting for?
So... what is he waiting for?
***Patent protection. Bill Gates went through this himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists
That part makes me suspicious.
We are at the point where:
It doesn’t work, it’s a fraud, and Rossi is in SERIOUS trouble or
It does work, and he keeps it secret, in which case Rossi is in serious trouble or
He simply publishes the details on Facebook for the world to see, vindicates himself, and doesn’t need to go into hiding on some desert island in the south pacific... if he chooses this route, he will STILL become one of the richest, most famous men on the planet!
***Then that makes Rossi the inventor of a chemical that generates 10X higher power density than any other known chemical. A masterful feat, in and of itself. Everyone has questions, but there is no reason for a guy with a $100Billion development to open his kimono without patent protection being available. Like you say, So there we are and there is where we will remain until something changes.
This test or actually two tests (according to the PDF) with a few differences between them and the control test with the empty capless dummy only tells us that the vessel attained a stable temperature in open air for a number of hours and then cooled. We can see that through the aid of electrical power that was modified by a device used commonly to modify wave forms of AC current this heat reaction continued to a point where it was either out of fuel or was shut down. (I am not clear on which)
From the thermal camera data and the current logs monitoring the input power we can comfortably assume that at least 500 degrees C in additional heat beyond that of the reported heating coils was apparently produced and sustained somehow for a period of time.
So from that we extrapolate the heat available to be released to be beyond that of a equal mass of gasoline and other compounds used for comparison. In short, that's all this test is telling us.
I am happy to accept that from the results of these tests. But the tests are way too limited and the withheld information that would answer many very basic questions is far too voluminous at this point in time.
Unfortunately for this device and experiments like it, this has been the case for years, just as it was for this little timeless gem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman%27s_energy_machine
So like I said, until we see more clarity in the released information regarding the construction and contents of this device. I have no choice but to put it in the same category as Newmans perpetual motion generator...
I hope it proceeds to a much better review, but I am not going to hold my breath. If it does....great! If it does not, I won't be surprised and that too is great....because at this point all we have is something of interest and nothing more than that.
I knew it! Perhaps you should take the advice. But this thread is not about you, It’s about how these outlandish claims are falling apart under the latest scrutiny.
where it was either out of fuel or was shut down. (I am not clear on which)
***It was shut down.
heat available to be released to be beyond that of a equal mass of gasoline and other compounds used for comparison. In short, that’s all this test is telling us.
***Pretty much.
I am happy to accept that from the results of these tests. But the tests are way too limited and the withheld information that would answer many very basic questions is far too voluminous at this point in time.
***Most of those very basic questions are about the proprietary industrial secret, what’s-in-the-box. Since Rossi can’t get a patent for this device in the USA, it makes no sense for him to answer such questions at this time.
Unfortunately for this device and experiments like it, this has been the case for years,
***No,not really. The Anomalous Heat Effect was replicated more than 14,700 times before Rossi even came onto the scene. Many of those experiments were open-kimono. But the effect is still exceedingly difficult to attain, and that’s what Rossi has brought to bear. His development makes it far more likely to generate the effect, to the point that he’s going into production while other LENR experimenters are frustrated with their touchy setups. He’s doing it for the money, much like the Wright brothers. Do you fault them for seeking IP protection?
just as it was for this little timeless gem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman%27s_energy_machine
***Was Newman’s finding replicated 14,700 times?
So like I said, until we see more clarity in the released information regarding the construction and contents of this device. I have no choice but to put it in the same category as Newmans perpetual motion generator...
***You acknowledge the power density measurements, and then put this device into the same category as perpetual motion? Newman’s device was tested and proven to be basically a lossy DC motor — his claim has been disproven. Rossi’s device was tested and even you accept the energy density claim. So how can those 2 be in the same category? One independently disproven, the other independently validated.
I hope it proceeds to a much better review, but I am not going to hold my breath. If it does....great! If it does not, I won’t be surprised and that too is great....because at this point all we have is something of interest and nothing more than that.
***okie dokie
Its time to take the mods advice and ignore you.
Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
I'll do you one better on that "anomalous heat effect". How many nickel based batteries have gone critical, caused fires and numerous injuries....every one of those could be considered a "anomalous heat effect". So are all of those indications of cold fusion? One wonders if this is not where he got the idea to pursue this line of experimentation.
We’re at the point where Rossi sells distribution rights to suckers, but never produces a working Ecat to distribute.
So are all of those indications of cold fusion?
***Extremely doubtful.
Thanks for posting this thread, and sticking there the whole time dealing with questions, complaints, and attacks.
I know I have learned quite a bit more about the most recent testing of the E-CAT and E-CAT2 (now in HD), and I doubt I’m the only one.
Hopefully your next big thread will be about the revealing of a working model in use at an independent location.
Even if Rossi never works this out... somebody will.
Hopefully your next big thread will be about the revealing of a working model in use at an independent location.
***Something we definitely agree on.
Yes, “Chief Scientist”, a self promotion it appears.
But both are better than yours. Ours, at least, are based on facts. Yours are based on speculation.
Large numbers of inventors do precisely that, as do many companies. Completely not unusual. The qualifications and reputations of those doing the test are a matter of public record, and can be sourced in many places.
How many published research papers are written that you know the authors of well enough to "vouch" for them??? Probably very few, if not none. Yet you more than likely take the results of those articles as "good" based on no more than "their" published CV's.
Nope. 'Fraid not. Given the available volume in the device, the length of time the device was run, the temperatures reached, and the total power produced, there "is" no exothermic chemical reaction that will suffice
Many reactions will reach those kinds of temperatures, but they simply cannot last LONG ENOUGH. Think about a thermite demonstration...that lasts for a few seconds to maybe a few minutes....not hours on end.
Which they did. Read their testimonies. Everything they checked for is NOT written in the report, as that is written as a scientific paper. Perhaps in addition to that paper, Levi and Essen should have written a "James Randi expose document", which does lay out in detail all those other pieces of data.
But the fact remains that they did so check, and they are testifying to the fact that they did.
Your argument is bogus.
Checked for and eliminated.
Nope. All that shows is that conversion of nickel to copper is not the source of heat production. There is still the heat. But the MS evidence will probably also give clues as to what the reaction is when Rossi eventually allows samples to be run. But that likely won't be until he has good patent protection.
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