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Keep that Bible out of my room
The Times of Israel ^ | 5/21/2013 | KATE BRUMBACK and RUSS BYNUM

Posted on 05/21/2013 5:08:31 PM PDT by Former Fetus

An atheist, Buckner believes that no religious literature should be provided in government-owned lodging, and he presented that concern to management at the Amicalola Falls State Park.

Officials told Buckner they would remove the Bibles from all state park resorts while the state attorney general looked into the matter. Not long afterward, however, the AG issued a ruling saying the state was on firm legal ground because it hadn’t paid for the books. On Wednesday, Gov. Nathan Deal ordered the Bibles returned.

Deal argued that if the state didn’t pay for them, it can’t be seen as endorsing them. He also noted that any religious group can donate literature. But his action sparked a string of comments on social media and captured the attention of local news television stations. It also prompted some to question why this hasn’t been more of an issue in the US before.

Buckner is pondering his next move. One idea he is considering is to test the state’s offer to accept literature from other religions in state-owned lodging. He also said he would be willing to participate if an organization with similar beliefs decides to launch a lawsuit over the issue.

‘When you go into a state park cabin and the only piece of religious literature there is a Protestant Bible, that suggests the government’s endorsed that particular perspective’

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: antichristian; antitheism; atheism; atheistsupremacist; bible; christianity; religion; trollalert
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To: whattajoke

Lets keep you out of the state of GA as well. :-)


41 posted on 05/21/2013 6:00:15 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: fr_freak
I agree with almost 100% of your first paragraph. Only one quibble - I have no hostility at all towards Christianity. I probably harbor some towards many Christians who use their religion in ways with which I disagree though. I do have hostility towards Islam, for what that's worth. I don't care about books in hotel rooms. I completely ignore them - and I'd wager 98% of Christians do too.

I think the true fear of any atheist is that he might be wrong.

Nah. Not really. Do you fear that you are wrong and the Muslims are right? Of course not! It's the same for atheists. Just as you see no evidence to believe Allah is divine, atheists see no evidence that Jesus/Yahweh is divine. There is no difference at all.

Otherwise, why would he care that people are Christians?

Because it's 2013. People keep dying over religious texts. Idiots see god's punishment in Moore, OK. Preachers continue to steal from rubes and get away with it. Education and scientific gains are stifled by religious belief. Thousands of children are raped by the catholic church and all is well. It's high time we get past the nonsense as humans.


42 posted on 05/21/2013 6:04:17 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: fr_freak

“What the subject of this article is engaging in is what I have seen properly called “evangelical atheism”, which is to say that he is trying to prevent as many people as he can from believing in God, or, possibly, even get some believers to stop. There is no logical reason for that, unless he has a fear of that religion. Otherwise, why would he care that people are Christians? “

So by your logic what is the logical reason for engaging in “evangelical Christianty”?


43 posted on 05/21/2013 6:04:40 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: whattajoke

Why are you on FR ? Do you have any conservative views ?

I don’t see much conservatism in your posts, just wisecracks from an opinionated blowhard.


44 posted on 05/21/2013 6:06:19 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: whattajoke
Atheists would prefer the government allow all religions equally and simply not favor any of them. That is the correct choice which you left out.

First of all I did not offer a dichotomy false or otherwise. You have just offered a generalization of the opinion of all atheists, while I was offering an interpretation of the opinion of one particularly litigious atheist in the article.

Second, the idea of the government to "allow all religions equally" presumes a government above all religions answering to a system of ethics which is above religion...or more to the point: above OTHER religions...and conforming to secular religion. In other words, you are saying atheists want government to keep each of the lesser religions (the ones that have god or gods or something super natural in them) on a leash and keep them out of public areas. I don't think all atheists are as dogmatically committed to subjugating other religions beneath secularism as you make them out to be.

What our constitution says is that Congress should not make laws about religion, not that Congress allows religions equally.

45 posted on 05/21/2013 6:08:56 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: PieterCasparzen

“I don’t see much conservatism in your posts, just wisecracks from an opinionated blowhard.”

LOL. Well, I can’t deny that.


46 posted on 05/21/2013 6:10:05 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke

“I think that’s a wonderful idea and would have no problem with it at all. I’d also be curious as to the usage stats of each text. “

No one i GA gives rats azz what you think is a good idea. Tell it to the Governor who has ordered them put back in the rooms and by the way he doesn’t give a rats azz what you think either. :-)


47 posted on 05/21/2013 6:13:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: AndyTheBear
What our constitution says is that Congress should not make laws about religion, not that Congress allows religions equally.

Are you saying you'd like Congress to pick and choose and rank religions and "allow" more or less of them as they see fit? Because that's what it sounds like.
48 posted on 05/21/2013 6:13:14 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke
They're "favoring" "one religion" by distributing, gratis, Bibles they got for distributing gratis? Don't they also distribute, gratis, advertising for local tourist attractions? If they were given Bhavagad Gitas, what do you think they'd do, use them for kindling? I presume they pay for TVs, which have lots of religious programming. Are they supposed to screen them out?

BTW, the Gita is something that would interest me. When I went to a B&B a few years ago, they offered me a Nicholas Stark novel that didn't interest me at all.

II really loathe TV's, but I find they don't bother me when I don't turn them on. Same goes, mutatis mutandis, for Other People's Sacred Writ. Bottom line: act like a grown-up. If you don't want it, leave it be.

49 posted on 05/21/2013 6:14:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When you see a fork in the road, take it. - Yogi Berra)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
No one i GA gives rats azz what you think is a good idea. Tell it to the Governor who has ordered them put back in the rooms and by the way he doesn’t give a rats azz what you think either. :-)

That's not true. I have family in Georgia and one of my favorite travel stories of all time took place in northern Georgia - and I still correspond with the parties involved.
50 posted on 05/21/2013 6:14:59 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke

Perhaps you didn’t insult their religion.


51 posted on 05/21/2013 6:17:06 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: whattajoke

That’s the correct reading of the Establishment Clause, whattajoke. Original intent was to prohibit a national State Church. Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion meant make no law.

We’ve got one now, though.

It’s atheist.


52 posted on 05/21/2013 6:17:29 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: whattajoke

“Oneof my favorite travel stories of all time took place in northern Georgia - and I still correspond with the parties involved.”

Whats the goats name? :-)


53 posted on 05/21/2013 6:17:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I was simply saying what the argument is. I couldn’t care less what books are in my hotel room in whatever drawer I never open. Be it the bible or the Gita or Dianetics.


54 posted on 05/21/2013 6:18:21 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: tflabo
Darwin’s Evolution is a theory/myth too. Where’s the scientific proof via missing link connections to humanoids?

You misuse the term theory in the context of science. Gravity is a theory. Germs causing illness is a theory. They are not myths. I'm sorry that you are unable to explore the mountains of evidence available to you and it is not my job to help you out.
55 posted on 05/21/2013 6:21:09 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: muawiyah

Buckner clearly needs a beat down.


56 posted on 05/21/2013 6:23:02 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: whattajoke
Are you saying you'd like Congress to pick and choose and rank religions and "allow" more or less of them as they see fit? Because that's what it sounds like.

You were the one that introduced the concept of government ranking religions and allowing them. I rejected the notion that the government has been empowered to allow religion--which would imply that the government has the power to disallow religion in some cases. I will grant that you proposed a system of ranking that was equal--quite egalitarian of you--but I am not offering an alternative system of government ranking religion--I am insisting (along with First Amendment to back me) that there be NO system of ranking religion by government. I am asserting that the government is out of its jurisdiction to ban a book from a public area because the book is religious.

57 posted on 05/21/2013 6:27:25 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I was given a new, very nicely bound, hardcover Bhagavad Ghita with beautiful color plates throughout by a woman at a rest stop here in NC years ago. I still have it and have read it. It doesn’t offend me in the least. They appear to have some aspects of truth. I don’t accept it as divinely inspired, though.

I’ve got a Mormon Bible and The Pearl Of Great Price, too. Read it, kept it. Still have it. Helped convert the missionary who gave it to me. The additions and alterations made to the Bible by Joseph Smith are wrong, they’re fairly evidently fanciful and I reject it. Very clearly not divinely inspired. Mormons themselves do not offend me. Fine people for the most part, civic minded, moral. Just misled.


58 posted on 05/21/2013 6:29:58 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: whattajoke
Odd. Speaking for myself and every other atheist I know, we don’t fear something that we have never seen evidence for. Your assertion is simply untrue.

BS. Atheists fear Christianity so much so, that every single time they are in charge anywhere, they've murdered millions of us. See Ho Chi Minh, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Pol Pot, Jean-Marie Collot d’Herbois, Kim il-Sung, Jose Eduardo dos Santos, Erich Honecker, Tafari Benti, Jacques Nicolas.. just for starters.

59 posted on 05/21/2013 6:35:53 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: whattajoke; Mrs. Don-o
I was simply saying what the argument is. I couldn’t care less what books are in my hotel room in whatever drawer I never open. Be it the bible or the Gita or Dianetics.

For someone who could care less you're spending an awful lot of time here on FR bothering Christians about them.
60 posted on 05/21/2013 6:41:17 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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