Posted on 05/11/2013 4:39:17 AM PDT by tedw
This is a short talk about the history of Gay Activism in AA."
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Interesting.
I understand that alcoholism is a disease, but it also one of many other mental and emotional disorders.
Like homosexuality.
No wonder there is some connection between AA and faggotry.
Maybe AA should not be so accomadating towards sin?
I could see an old timer asking them if their homosexuality caused them to drink.
If they want to stop drinking, then perhaps they're in the right place.
If they don't choose to focus on stop drinking, then perhaps they're in the wrong place.
If their group wants to focus on homosexuality, then they need to find a new group.
What purpose to your post? Had a problem with AA’s methodology that didn’t sit well? AA tries to be all-inclusive to those that have problems with alcohol and follows the Biblical Principles of “What would the Master do?”. Early on, they wanted to only admit upstanding, moral individuals and discovered that only Jesus would qualify. They don’t get into “outside issues”, but many of the members keep thinking it’s all about them and miss the point.
I would rather that people who identify as gay be sober than drunk so I have no problem with them going to AA. It works. There are multiple meetings every day in most communities. I’m a ten year member of Al-anon. It’s a spiritual group. I don’t do meetings any more after my home group started being, IMHO, unhealthy. I still follow the principals. I’ve moved my time to more active participation in my Church community.
"The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking"
and
"Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues and causes, less it's name be drawn into controversy.'
Now it's time for me to head out for my Saturday meeting (and pick up my 40 year medallion.... )
Give us the wisdom of your 40 years experience - which traditions and how are they being contradicted?
To raise awareness.
I have no problem with Gays being allowed to attend AA. I do object to AA endorsing the gay lifestye, albeit subtly.
I know that AA’s are loathe to admit that is so. If they did, they might have to speak up about it, and be ostracized as a result.
Dude, you need to talk to your sponsor.
AA’s primary purpose is to members from drinking. Currently gay meetings are held separate from the main group. Their meetings are identified as gay meetings and often times closed to others. There are Christian meetings as well.
AA doesn’t endorse other groups and so far there isn’t a gay agenda at the open meetings.
Gays have lots of problems, and they appear to be much more prone to substance abuse. AA is the best thing for keeping sober and gays benefit from the program like everybody else.
The only concern is that gays will become more vocal and turn the entire organization into a gay support group. They could destroy AA as easily as they have destroyed other institutions such as the Catholic Church, marriage and soon the Boy Scouts.
I understand the context of your post, but it would be even worse than that - if AA excluded ANYONE, as a group, AA would dissolve and nobody would be helped. Early writings indicate they wanted to exclude those with moral failings (as if the majority of drunks are paragons of morality) and decided that they better act as if Jesus was in charge and that it was far better to "hate the sin but love the sinner". As a result, AA accepts anyone who expresses a desire to stop being enslaved to alcohol and admits liars, cheats, thieves, adulterers, Whites, Blacks, homosexuals, and even Democrats....It is probably the most tolerant and non-political "organization" on the face of the Earth and will remain so as long as the Big Book remains firmly based on the Bigger Book. I'm a mere tyro with 24+ years, but have learned a lot about others and myself by being encouraged to examine myself first. It has strengthened me, my faith, my family and my marriage.
I never said AA should excluded Gays.
Although AA accepts liars, cheats, thieves, and adulterer, they do not have any literature that says “lying, cheating, and adultery” is ok.
They have plenty of literature that suggest Homosexuality is ok. In fact, AA, as an organization, equates being homosexual with being black or American Indian.
If by "endorsing the gay lifestyle (I prefer the term homosexuality)", you mean that the lack of condemnation of those who practice it, you miss the whole point of AA. Your unspoken suggestion, that AA ought to ostracize those with moral issues that you can't abide by, would help destroy AA and the good it does. Do you have someone who you respect and trust enough to discuss things with or are you relying solely on your own inner thoughts - remember that The Mind is a Terrible Thing?
Not in my area - there are no particular meetings for gay people - everyone attends the same meetings. There are men’s meetings and women’s meetings, but no gay meetings that I am aware of.
There are MANY gay AA meetings. Not many Christians ones.
I once tried to start a Christian AA meeting in the Inland Empire of Southern California, and was told “we dont want Christ mentioned at meetings”. They wouldn’t allow the meeting to be published in the directory.
If it was a Gay AA meeting, I wouldn’t have had a problem.
That is reality and truth.
Heck - they also have atheist meetings for those who want to try it sans-God. I have no problem because it still gives folks a chance to experience His love and to maybe reconsider...
I used to worry about the "purity" of AA being compromised to the point it was destroyed. Came to the conclusion that if God is in it, it cannot be destroyed. if God is excluded, it cannot stand. I leave it in His hands.
That’s also been my observation for just over 6 years...
Saludos....
“Maybe AA should not be so accomadating towards sin?”
Alcohol is a path TOWARDS sin.
AA is a path AWAY from sin.
Let them start Gay AA if they feel the need to separate themselves from the main group.
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