The certification statement for Hawaii certifies that a document is a true copy OR ABSTRACT of the original record on file. And the abstract is all that the Hawaii DOH will allow anybody to see now. Period. A computer printout.
And they do call it a “Certificate of Live Birth”. A standard copy of a birth certificate is authorized to be made by film, photocopy, or typing. Not by computer. But all the HDOH will issue is abstracts - computer printouts of the INFORMATION, not a copy of the actual record.
It’s as illegal as heck, but it’s what they do. Along with a bunch of other illegal things.
And yet the U.S. State Department finds the Hawaiian Certificates of Live Birth are sufficient for passport applications.
Butterdezillion,
What this means is, ever since Hawaii started sending out the computerized versions of the b.c., NOBODY born in Hawaii can get a passport, security clearance, defense dept job; anything that requires the certified copy ofthe the actual LFBC.
Anything “govt” needs the real deal...
butterdezillion wrote:
The certification statement for Hawaii certifies that a document is a true copy OR ABSTRACT of the original record on file. And the abstract is all that the Hawaii DOH will allow anybody to see now. Period. A computer printout.
And they do call it a “Certificate of Live Birth”. A standard copy of a birth certificate is authorized to be made by film,photocopy,or typing. Not by computer. But all the HDOH will issue is abstracts -computer printouts of the INFORMATION,not a copy of the actual record.
It’s as illegal as heck,but it’s what they do. Along with a bunch of other illegal things.
Using Robert Redford’s line from the ending scene of “Three Days of the Condor” as its base...
They act like not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth.
I know you are aware of this but just for the record. Hawaiian statutes provide for computer printouts for certified copies and Hawaiian DOH Administrative rules only require the long form not be a computer printout but the "abbreviated copy" can be.
Hawaiian statutes
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm
The last time that section was amended was in 1978.
Hawaiian Administrative Rules:
Chapter 8B 2.4 B Standards for Copies of Vital Records
(1) Standard Copy (a) Method of Preparation. Standard copies of vital records may be prepared by photographic, dry copy reproduction process, or typing. ...
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(2) Abbreviated Copy. Abbreviated copies may be prepared by typing, computer printout or by any other process approved by the Director.
http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/8%208A%20B%20VR%20Admin%20Rules.pdf