Posted on 04/18/2013 10:15:56 AM PDT by Arm_Bears
Why?
No matter what he says they will get access to those services, either by court ruling or executive orders and any one over 12 years old should know that, including you.
The borders remain open after Reagan signed the immigration bill that began the decline and fall of our culture. The parts of that bill that would close the borders and enforce the law still sets unenforced, and somehow we are supposed to believe they will now enforce those laws? Right.
Our decline started in the 1960s via Lyndon Johnson.
Only heard part of Rubio on Rush. It didn’t sound like Rubio was having a good time, he was talking faster than chuck u shumer.
Guessin Marco realized he screwed up smoozing with mclame and nobama, but still trying to rationalize his position. Mark Marco off the list! Too bad!
I agree with you on the naivete part - which is a different sin than capitulating. May end up with same result...but says something different about the person.
On top of that, I really tired of being a target of these slugs because I've work hard, created my own opportunities, and had the temerity to be successful. For me, immigration is a life-or-death issue because blanket amnesty will fundamentally alter this country--Likely for the worse; and anyone who enables the clowns who are pushing "immigration reform" is on my $h!t list.
Wow, we sure dodged a bullet by not getting Romney.....
*rolls eyes*
It is not cell service in those areas, it must be radio or satellite.
Reporting them is a waste of time in any case since we have catch and release.
All that is required is for it to be unprofitable for the illegal and the enabler, then it will cease to be a problem.
We have been invited to this dance before.
Did Rubio CAMPAIGN on doing this???? I don’t think he did.....and I think his CHIEF of STAFF, that CREEP Cesar Conda is telling him FALSE FACTS about what’s in the BILL!!
I agree. But I think we should try to make it as unprofitable for them as possible to stay while in the meantime make a profit.
For example, I could go for a “comprehensive” immigration policy that included items like below, although I know it too would be looked as “cruel” and “inhumane”.
1. Secure the Border, firstly via fence, guards, etc
2. Give those living in this country a 6 month grace period to register with the Federal Government and receive an illegal resident Photo/Identification Number. All those illegals caught after the 6 month period not possessing the required ID would be deported.
3. Require all employers to retain this ID information and fine employers at least $1M or some other proportional amount percentage that would make it unprofitable for the business to hire undocumented workers.
Additionally,
Employed Illegals, regardless of wages earned, would automatically be placed into the highest tax bracket (35%) for Federal Income Tax purposes. Additionally, they would also be required to contribute to a rate 10% higher than the citizen population to SS/Medicare, benefits they would not be eligible to receive themselves until at least reaching an age 20 years beyond the legal citizen retirement age or 25 years after achieving legal citizenship, whichever is later. These extra taxes would be used to offset costs to illegals healthcare, etc, without putting the burden on the tax bill of the regular citizenry.
Illegally entering this country makes one ineligible for any type of Presidential Pardon
The ability to qualify for citizenship would not be fully allowed until a period of at least 10 years beyond what the normal timeframe is for legal immigrants to obtain citizenship. During this period, illegals are required to maintain/carry their illegal ID card at all times.
Their rights are limited to those of other legal visitors to the country, and they are subject to prison/deportation for crimes committed.
Once an Illegal receives an ID Card, they must remain in the United States for the entirety of the period it takes to obtain citizenship. If they decide to leave the United States for whatever reason, their ID Card information will be recorded and they will be prohibited from reentering the United States again for a period of not less than 20 years. Should they be found in the United States after leaving the country voluntarily prior to obtaining full citizenship, they will be subject to immediate deportation and any wages earned during this time will be recovered from either the Illegal or the Employer, plus an additional applicable fine.
Illegals will also be required to pass a standardized English test similar to the DLPT with a passing score. A test fee will be assessed to cover the costs of administering it. Failure to pass the test within 3 attempts will result in deportation.
Illegals would also be ineligible for any federally funded scholarships or financial aid and would normally be required to pay the non-resident established rate of tuition for public universities within their respective state. Additionally, state and local Governments would have the option of adding Illegals’ who have children attending public primary/secondary schools to the tax system and mandating the same or higher education tax usually assessed to property owners (Illegals would not be permitted to own property).
Tenants renting to Illegals would be assessed a 10% rent tax based on the rental amount, which would also be used to help pay/offset costs of illegals.
Illegals that stick it out and manage to obtain citizenship, will still have limited rights. They will still be ineligible to vote and to serve on jury trials for the next 3 Elections in which a President is chosen. Their tax burdens will be reduced to the normal brackets based on their wages, but they will still not be allowed to draw on SSI/Medicare benefits until they reach Age 82 or whatever 20 years after the qualifying retirement age is for non-Illegals.
There are two avenues that Illegals can opt of the consequences above. The first is that if they are able to enlist in one of the branches of the military or the Coast Guard, they will be given the same opportunity to earn their citizenship as are other foreign nationals that enlist in the US Military, provided they serve as least one full term on enlistment (normally 4 years) and receive an honorable discharge. Doing this would eliminate the additional tax burden and other restrictions.
The other Avenue falls under National Security. The Department of Labor, Defense, and Homeland Security would comprise a list of those specialties/skills (Medical, Science, etc) deemed critical to the National Security of the United States. This would allow Illegals majoring in these fields and advanced degrees, like Microbiology, or MD’s, to be eligible for federally funded scholarships or financial aid. Upon completion and other requirements, the burdens above would be removed.
These are just some basic ideas I had. If they’re going to stick around, might as well charge them for it. My guess is these burdens would make it unprofitable for many to stay and they would leave on their own, and that those who stick it out or qualify via military/school are the ones that actually want to be here and Americanize. Of course none of the above as a chance at ever passing because it would be looked at as too cruel.
I lived in Southern California for 18 years, believe me, I feel your pain.
I lived in Southern California for 18 years, believe me, I feel your pain.
She is an unabashed Christian, lot of libertarians see that as a character flaw.
D. Make employers use e-verify or face huge fines.
The DEMS only want these people for their VOTES and to BRING DOWN the COUNTRY PER CLOWARD-PIVEN STRATEGY!! TOTAL SOCIALISM!!
Not totally untrue, but we only had one cultural issue then and they have become a minority of minorities, now.
Guns and Butter.
For the verbal exercise, let's use what Merriam-Webster says:
am·nes·ty [am-nuh-stee]
noun
1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.
2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.
3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.
To me, all three definitions qualify in Rubio's case. If you aren't suffering the accepted consequences for breaking the law through the actions of authority, it's amnesty.
"He also said the status quo is de facto amnesty, which is about close to the truth. I mean, if nothing is done, we do have de facto amnesty."
That may well be, but if this is done, you can drop the "de facto". Amnesty will be codified and you know as well as I do that this government will not do a damn thing to secure the border.
Rubio is no tony snow.
Tony Snow was a class act when he appeared on Rush’s show to argue the same issue. He was not condescending to voters.
Rubio is trying to get this issue off the table before the 2016 election then he will get a majority of the Hispanic vote and win the Presidency for the Conservatives. Only complete idiots think our losing streak will end without winning the Hispanic vote. But losing is how they like it; losing complaining - no responsibility - no blame - no problem. Cheney / Rubio 2016
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