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You gotta be crazy to think the founders intended this.
Gateway Pundit ^ | April 12, 2013 | Mara Zebest

Posted on 04/12/2013 8:22:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp

L.A. County Cites 16 ‘Maternity Hotels’ Serving Asian Visitors

LA Times reports the following:

Following a flurry of complaints, Los Angeles County inspectors have cited 16 “maternity hotel” owners for illegally operating boardinghouses in residential zones.

No major health or safety issues were found at the hotels, where women from Asia stay to give birth to U.S. citizen babies. But some of the facilities, which were in Rowland Heights or Hacienda Heights, were cited for building and fire code violations, according to a report released Thursday.


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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; aliens; amnesty; anchor; anchorbaby; babies; born; citizen; illegals; jackpotbabies; natural; naturalborncitizen; welfare
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To: AuntB

HA! You’ll find peeps here with the same mindset as our ‘legislators’, who can’t read and comprehend the Constitution unless it’s in their own best interest.

Subject to the jurisdiction thereof....Seems pretty clear. No visitor falls under that designation; they have the protection of our laws, but they do no LIVE under them, nor hold allegiance to the U.S.


21 posted on 04/12/2013 10:18:51 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: DiogenesLamp

My diabolical plan is this- I intend to go to mexico- denounce my American citizenship, becoem a legal citizen of Mexico, then sneak back across the boarder so that I can have all the beinfitis afforded illegal aliens and denied to legal citizens here in America-


22 posted on 04/12/2013 10:20:14 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Exit polls showed that Obama increased his share of the Latino vote in 2012 by five percentage points, from 67% in 2008 to 72% in 2012 and the increase among voters of Asian ethnicities was eleven percentage points, from 62% in 2008 to 73% in 2012. Those two increases more than offset slight reductions in white and black support for Obama in 2012 (whites went from 43% to 39% and blacks went from 95% to 93%).
No way the Obama administration will do anything to stem immigration that gives them a political boost with the electorate. Immigrants need gub’mint services.


23 posted on 04/12/2013 10:29:54 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Exit polls showed that Obama increased his share of the Latino vote in 2012 by five percentage points, from 67% in 2008 to 72% in 2012 and the increase among voters of Asian ethnicities was eleven percentage points, from 62% in 2008 to 73% in 2012. Those two increases more than offset slight reductions in white and black support for Obama in 2012 (whites went from 43% to 39% and blacks went from 95% to 93%). No way the Obama administration will do anything to stem immigration that gives them a political boost with the electorate. Immigrants need gub’mint services.

I agree. The current status quo benefits him and his power bloc. The down side is that it is unsustainable. It's like a boat with too many passengers, at some point the weight will swamp the boat.

We might as well just acknowledge this and prepare for the consequences which are coming. I feel the last chance we had to halt a crash was the last election. Now the fire has gotten out of control and I perceive that the nation is likely to burn down.

24 posted on 04/12/2013 10:41:47 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

IT IS WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES. It is not a law, nor did I imply it was, but it is a window into what one of the most influential founders intended as to citizenship at birth.

You claim it was out of context, so please by all means supply the context whereby Madison doesn’t think place is what applies, or what should apply, in the United States. Where is the context that reverses the meaning such that Madison wouldn’t intend those born in the United States to be citizens?


25 posted on 04/12/2013 10:43:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

IT IS WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES. It is not a law, nor did I imply it was, but it is a window into what one of the most influential founders intended as to citizenship at birth.

No it is not. It is an offhand comment regarding someone who was born in South Carolina while it was still a British Colony. It would be like quoting "dicta" as a holding, except it doesn't even poses that degree of authoritativeness.

Here is something from a Judge of the time period which has recognized legal authority, and is not simply an offhand comment.

You claim it was out of context, so please by all means supply the context whereby Madison doesn’t think place is what applies, or what should apply, in the United States. Where is the context that reverses the meaning such that Madison wouldn’t intend those born in the United States to be citizens?

I'm not going to bother with you, you know full well the rest of what Madison says, you just want to cut out that one little piece and use it as a trump card. Well it isn't. Here is something else Madison said:


26 posted on 04/12/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: allmendream

It’s quite certain that by ‘place’ Madison meant an anchor baby hotel, occupied for a few days prior to ferrying the baby back to its home place, where it will be raised in the cultural ways & traditions of its parents.

If you really believe that by ‘place’ Madison meant a short stay maternity home, there’s no hope for you. You’re too far gone to ever make it back.


27 posted on 04/12/2013 10:53:23 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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28 posted on 04/12/2013 11:22:26 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Liz

Good post!


29 posted on 04/12/2013 11:23:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: DiogenesLamp

The last line is a bit ironic, given the content of the story...

“...A draft ordinance targeting the hotels will not be ready until July at the earliest and will probably focus on single-family residential zones, said the report by L.A. County Chief Executive Officer William T Fujioka.”


30 posted on 04/12/2013 12:11:13 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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31 posted on 04/12/2013 12:56:15 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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To: DiogenesLamp

When the law is a failed law, it is irrelevant.

Would you advise a resident of New York to follow the New York law on high capacity magazines, or illegally retain his old magazines ?


32 posted on 04/12/2013 1:07:21 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: AuntB

They are immigrants, or soon-to-be immigrants.
We want their “entire clan”.
These are GOOD clans.

They aren’t criminals. Their incarceration rate is a fraction of US white people. They contribute more in taxes than they absorb in benefits. They fill our Engineering and Science programs. They are a massive economic net plus.

There are dozens of visa programs that let in a trickle of the sort of people we want, compared to the total immigration flow. We don’t want a trickle, we want a flood, of the best.


33 posted on 04/12/2013 1:12:34 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: DiogenesLamp

The Europeans would (or should) kill for more Chinese immigrants.
If they had Chinese instead of Arabs they would be immensely better off.
Tell me that isn’t so.


34 posted on 04/12/2013 1:14:24 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

YOU are ill informed. We don’t need ANY jackpot baby factories!


35 posted on 04/12/2013 1:27:33 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

On the contrary, I am superbly informed.

I have spent a career following educational and career outcomes of different ethnic groups.
I have been involved in educational testing and college admissions. I have worked for the Asian Development Bank and multiple international consulting organizations.

I can tell you that the Chinese people being referred to here are incredibly valuable as a population. This is proven across the board, in every country in which they live and immigrate to.

Any law that keeps them from coming here to live is a bad law, a very, very bad law.


36 posted on 04/12/2013 1:49:40 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: DiogenesLamp

I would imagine it would matter what kind of asians.


37 posted on 04/12/2013 1:52:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: buwaya

You can’t be serious. I’ll chalk you off as a joke.
Don’t waste my time.


38 posted on 04/12/2013 1:54:34 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Chickensoup

Most East Asians would be OK at the very least.
Note that many “other Asian” people very possibly are in fact ethnic Chinese, as there are large Chinese populations in most East Asian countries.
In order of economic value-added, I would have to place East Asian groups like this -

Chinese
Koreans
Vietnamese
Thai&Filipino
Cambodian, Lao and Indonesian.

Note that NONE are net-negative IMHO.
None of these groups seem to be prone to social problems above the US white rate, and even the lowest performing, to the extent it can be determined, their educational performance seems to be at the white average. Granted the breakdown lacks statistics, but it is known that the Filipinos in California, for instance, have white-average test scores, including SAT’s, and they take these at a greater frequency than whites. Note that the Filipinos are considered a LOW performing group by Asian standards.


39 posted on 04/12/2013 2:01:16 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: AuntB

Facts trump snits

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703466704575489573310055484.html

Asian average Math SAT - 2010 - 591
White average Math SAT - 2010 - 536
Mexican average Math SAT - 2010- 467
Black average Math SAT - 2010 - 428

Note that the Math SAT is the best predictor of economic value-added of all these.

These results by the way are no fluke. The same is observed in every test series ever, everywhere, since any relevant data series started. NAEP, PISA, California Star, New York Regents, TIMSS, etc. ad infinitum.


40 posted on 04/12/2013 2:08:41 PM PDT by buwaya
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