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Vanity - Don't own a gun - need advice
1/13/2013 | Aria

Posted on 01/13/2013 8:21:40 PM PST by Aria

I live in what is considered a safe neighborhood and stay in "safe" areas, never had a problem YET.

Not familiar with guns although my husband used to have quite a collection and I had a Baretta shotgun. I'm not so much afraid of home invasions or robberies at this point - but times are changing. What I'm more afraid of is our government setting off a stampede of marauding hoards.

I have NO clue what might be useful for me - need advice.


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To: KrisKrinkle

I think we both understand each other.
No offense was intended.

I feel strongly that if you pull that gun you had better be prepared to use it and that when you pull it, it escalates the situation.


61 posted on 01/13/2013 10:18:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jespasinthru
Dear Jess...

The original post stated, “... I had a Baretta shotgun...”

If she use to own one and had used it she may have enough experience to evaluate a shotgun as a defensive weapon.

62 posted on 01/13/2013 10:20:51 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Say 20 “Hail Brownings” then go and sin no more. ;-)


63 posted on 01/13/2013 10:26:59 PM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution!)
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To: Axenolith; Robert357
Sorry dude, you’re wrong on that one. in response to:

"Meaning it’s better to not reveal your gun and be found raped and strangled to death with your pantyhose than to be found explaining how you bluffed your way out of a situation by brandishing it."

If you say I'm wrong about what I wrote there, doesn't that mean you think it's better to be found explaining how you bluffed your way out of a situation by brandishing your gun?

Yeah, Yeah, I know what you wrote is not what you meant.

People who buy a firearm with the mental outlook that they won’t use it to actually kill someone if the need arises are a danger to themselves and others.

Should someone be denied the right stated in the Second Amendment because they aren't willing to kill?

Like Robert357 (pinged for courtesy) said earlier, you want to be well versed in your states lethal force/self defense law.

As it happens in my state, last I checked anyway, we aren't allowed to shoot to kill. We are allowed to shoot to stop an aggrssor. If the aggressor happens to die from getting shot, that's just incidental to stopping him. If we go around saying we are going to shoot to kill, it could be used against us in court.

64 posted on 01/13/2013 10:28:10 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Robert357

“That is absolutely NOT what I was saying.”

My problem is that it’s easily inferred if not outright implied by what you said.

“The decision to arm yourself with deadly force should not be entered into lightly and one should fully understand what one is doing.”

We agree on that.


65 posted on 01/13/2013 10:31:39 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: mylife

“No offense was intended.”

None taken and I didn’t intend any either. I have found in my long life of writing and reading that written communication can sometimes convey an unintended and unfortunate tone :)


66 posted on 01/13/2013 10:36:06 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: mylife

That was helpful. I am petite and hands are not large.

I’ve learned a bunch tonight:

1. tonight joined the NRA and made contact IDPA chapter close to me (before tonight I didn’t even know they existed).
2.. will practice with various guns to see what fits and feels right
3. after #1 and #2 I will purchase
4. plan to get professional training - need to feel completely comfortable and ready for an emergency.

Once again, Thank You ALL!!!


67 posted on 01/13/2013 10:42:04 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

It’s just a complex issue and I think that we both raised some awareness that a gun is not a miracle cure to a uncomfortable situations.
It is a deadly serious thing to be used in deadly serious situations.
That said, I think everybody should take on that responsibility.
Conversely I think we should all know how to perform CPR but it involves risks of litigation.
A risk I am willing to take.


68 posted on 01/13/2013 10:45:31 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Aria
don't get to scared off on being able to defend yourself, common sense is needed and preparation and training will help you avoid any pitfalls. If you have to shoot someone you will know when the time comes, it will be because you are in fear for your life.(not about protecting property thats a murky area that needs legal advice IMO) You should know what to do after-wards also which is probably talk to an attorney before you let the police ask you questions..

old law enforcement saying its better to be tried by 12 (jurors) than carried by 6 (pall bearers)

69 posted on 01/13/2013 10:45:59 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Aria

One thing Masood says that defiantly rings true for me is that women are very good students when it comes to firearms instruction.

They don’t bring a lot of misconceptions to learning firearms.

You will find good local people and you will be fine.
Best wishes.


70 posted on 01/13/2013 10:49:26 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ProfoundMan

Will do right away. And thanks for the absolution.


71 posted on 01/13/2013 10:51:44 PM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Aria

Here is the entire article.

http://thpatriots.blogspot.com/2011/08/massad-ayoob-women-and-guns.html


72 posted on 01/13/2013 10:56:22 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: KrisKrinkle
The correct phrase I should have used is “shoot to live.” The issue in using deadly force is if a reasonable person would use deadly and if you can live with the financial, legal, and emotional outcome of using deadly force.

There are examples each year of folks just showing a firearm which saves them. There are also lots of examples of very bad things happening when the perp is “not stopped.”

You might want to talk to police in your area and see what they recommend to people.

The poster said she wanted a firearm possible for self defense. She should understand all the issues.

73 posted on 01/13/2013 11:04:45 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: mylife

That’s a great article, Duuuuuude. Thank you!!


74 posted on 01/13/2013 11:17:19 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Brad's Gramma

You are welcome.
Massad Ayoob knows what he is talking about.


75 posted on 01/13/2013 11:24:59 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Brad's Gramma

DiFi thinks telescoping stocks are evil, its just ergonomics.

One of the little-recognized reasons why AR15 rifles have become so hugely popular in America—in the practical rural world as well as the defensive urban sector—is that, before the onerous Bill Clinton “Assault Weapons” Ban of 1994-2004, these guns could and now again can be had with telescoping stocks. The most common is the so-called “M4” variety, which offers four positions, though you can get more options than that. The most petite female can shoulder, aim, and effectively fire an AR15 with the stock closed to its most “collapsed” point. Tall folks can still handle the rifle comfortably and effectively by simply pulling it all the way out to its maximum length.


76 posted on 01/13/2013 11:27:45 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

He sure seemed to in THIS article, that’s for sure!!

I’ve heard of him, but not read anything recently.


77 posted on 01/13/2013 11:27:55 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: mylife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w0o7YgiTFm4

Did you see this? (speaking of assault and all that silly stuff)


78 posted on 01/13/2013 11:31:03 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Aria

After more and deeper reflection, I think you need a potato gun.

:)


79 posted on 01/13/2013 11:32:36 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Brad's Gramma

One thing that makes me wince is when bubba guys give their girlfriends a shotgun full of 00 buck and laugh when they get knocked on their butt.

There is a macho line that men won’t let women cross.

Women are often intimidated about self defense when guys insist on being the defender.

If I am gone, I want my woman to be capable.


80 posted on 01/13/2013 11:38:39 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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