Posted on 12/31/2012 10:44:35 AM PST by chooseascreennamepat
For the month that the murders in Newtown have been in the news, I have heard two totally different stories as to the weapon used.
Some stories claim the perp used the semiautomatic rifle while others (as recently as Saturday) claim he used the two pistols he had in his possession.
Which is it?
The Bushmaster to shoot his way into the school by blowing out the glass.
The Bushmaster to kill all if not most of the victims.
One of the handguns to kill himself.
A semi-auto shotgun locked in his mother's car.
What was your Saturday source that only handguns were used in the school? A blog?
There are two legal ways to avoid the fingerprinting, mug shot, background check, and sign-off by the chief LEO of your county to complete your ATF Form 4.
You can form an LLC corporation to hold your Class III items as "corporate assets". You as CEO and whomever else you designate as a "corporate officer" may use "corporate assets".
You can form a revocable trust to hold your Class III items as "trust assets". You as trustee and whomever else you designate as a trustee may use "trust assets".
These are possible because in the eyes of the law corporations and trusts are "legal entities". They are treated as a living person, they have rights, in the case of the corporation they pay taxes, but are incorporeal. That is they are not flesh and blood hence they have no fingers to print, no mug to photograph, and they get a pass on the background check and sign off by the LEO. By the way, the sign off is required if you file the Form 4 yourself but is discretionary on the part of your Sheriff. If he says no you are done right there.
The major differences between the two being corporations must be registered in the state in which they are incorporated. They must file an annual report with the state, and may be required to pay taxes if they turn a profit. The IRS may at some time enter the picture if you haven't filed a corporate return. They may declare your corporation is not a business but a hobby and yank your corporate standing.
Trusts, on the other hand, are only required to register in twelve states (and that is a "may" requirement, not a "must"). There is no requirement for annual reporting and no taxes. Thus, trusts function well below the "radar" and present a very discreet face to the world.
In either case you are going to need professional help in setting up the legal entity. To assure your success you should seek out a lawyer who handles "gun law" cases in your state of residence. There are law firms (Legal Zoom dot com) that do corporate and trust filings but have no experience with the gun laws of your state, AVOID going cheep and get the job done right the first time. There are web sites that can guide you to qualified law firms that will work with you to make sure you don't foul up. Plan on spending at least $1000 to get an iron clad package.
The completed Form 4, your certified check for $200, and a copy of your corporate or trust documents gets forwarded to the Class III FFL dealer from whom you are purchasing your "asset". He then completes the form by filling out a description of the purchased item with serial number, the address of his place of business, and the signature of the Class III licensee. He then forwards the entire package to a BATF examiner. What happens next is going to take time (6 months??) but in the end you will get what you want, guaranteed. If you file personally, no guarantee.
Regards,
GtG
PS No matter how you acquire a Class III item, file personally, shell corporation, or trust there are many ATF rules governing transportation of, use of, storage of, and ultimately disposition of your new toy. As well as the necessity of keeping ATF current on your home address. Your lawyer can fill you in.
There are a lot of AR and AK pistol variants in the back pages of shotgun news. For the life of me I can't see them being of any practical use.
I don't believe the police found any such weapon or else the MSM would have plastered it all over page one as an EEEVILEEE fully automatic pistol. Ceci n'est pas une pipe!
Regards,
GtG
Which is it?
1: He murdered his mother with a .22 semiauto rifle, apparently to obtain access to her weapons and vehicle. Assitional or other motivation is possible.
2: He drove to the school, leaving the .22 rifle behind, but taking the .223 Bushmaster [which his mother may have obtained from her brother, a police officer in their home town in New Hampshire] a 12 gauge shotgun and two handguns, A SIG and a 10mm Glock. He left the shotgun [not the .223 Bushmaster rafle, as incorrectly reported in MANY outlets] in the vehicle in the parking lot.
3: Inside the school, most of the shooting was done with the rifle, including the fenale school principal and school's female psychiatrist, who were shot repeatedly. Many of the children he shot wwere shot with the rifle, at least some with multiple wounds, though it is not clear if these are multiple bullet strikes or through-and- through injuries in some of the reports.
Reportedly, The 10mm Glock 20SF:
Lanza stopped shooting between 9:46 a.m. and 9:49 a.m., after firing 50 to 100 rounds.[44] He shot all of his victims multiple times, and at least one victim, six-year-old Noah Pozner, 11 times.[45][46] He shot mostly in two first-grade classrooms, killing fourteen in one room and six in the other. The student victims were eight boys and twelve girls, between six and seven years of age,[47] and the six adults were all women who worked at the school. After realizing that he had been spotted by a police officer who had entered the building, Lanza committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. ... .
A large quantity of unused ammunition was recovered at the school, along with three semi-automatic firearms found with Adam Lanza: a .223-caliber Bushmaster XM-15 rifle, a 10mm Glock 20 SF handgun and a 9mm SIG Sauer handgun.
Never crewed on a BTR or BMP personnel carrier, have you? Or a Soviet-era tank, MUCH more cramped inside than in the US M1A2 Abrams. The Russian tankisti find the shorty AKSU suchka very handy going in and out of the hatches, and so do the rest of us who work from the confines of smaller vehicles and aircraft.
To most in the media {not me; I'm a retired newspaperman and photog] they're all deadly 150-shot machine assault AK47s capable of spewing 100 deadly child-killer bullets per second.
To most in the media {not me; I'm a retired newspaperman and photog] they're all deadly 150-shot machine assault AK47s capable of spewing 100 deadly child-killer bullets per second.
Regards,
GtG
Whichever one best fits their agenda at any given time.
In VA, you can’t drive around with a loaded rifle. You can have a pistol loaded with 20 rounds. So for a truck gun, a shorty AK/AR has a place.
That’s a hoot!
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