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To: fso301

Part of the problem with Tebow’s numbers is how low everything is. 271 attempts in 11 games. That’s not an NFL QB stat. And then 54% of them are either not caught or caught by the wrong guy. That’s just bad.

Southpaw has nothing to do with it. Plenty of left handed QBs have plenty of success. He has a 46% completion rate because he can’t read defenses, he throws the ball late, and his throwing motion results in unpredictable and inacurate flight. Ie - he’s not a good QB.

If it was his line and his receivers Orton wouldn’t have had such dramatically better stats.

The only reason Tebow is running is because he didn’t read the defense pre-snap and he didn’t throw the ball on time. 2.4 seconds. That’s what an NFL QB should be doing.

Let’s compare his stats to another scrambler who runs the option, Robert Griffin III:
http://www.nfl.com/player/robertgriffiniii/2533033/gamelogs
RGIII has a completion percentage of 66.4 on 351 attempts, he’s thrown 18 TDs, 4 INTs, a QB rating of 104.2, 11 fumbles, 2 lost. Notice in every part of the game his stats are better, and he runs the exact same style of offense, on a worse team.
And he’s not the only one, another scrambling option oriented QB Russel Wilson:
http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/profile
353 attempts, 66.2 completion percentage, 21 TDs, 9 INTs, 5 fumbles, 3 lost. He’s got a few more INTs but is still markedly better in all the other stats.

These guys have all the same excuses you’re making for Tebow, except their stats aren’t a nightmare.

There’s one major difference between Testaverde and Tebow: this discussion. Vinnie didn’t have a big crowd of worshipers making life for his coaches bad every time he was on the bench. Because Tebow has all these followers that ignore his atrocious stats he be played even though he stinks he’s an instant quarterback controversy. That has a good chance of getting him out of the league. There are teams out there that will take a chance on a so-so player, hoping to improve him, or at least surround him with enough talent. There aren’t as many willing to take that chance on a player that’s going to get the fans all riled up and aggressive, they’ve got enough headaches.

I know exactly why he has happy feet: he doesn’t know where the open man is and he wants to run. It’s another sign of him not having the knowledge he needs to do the job he wants.

We know whether he’s been developing. He hasn’t. If he had he’d be the starter for the Jets.


63 posted on 12/22/2012 10:01:05 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: discostu
Part of the problem with Tebow’s numbers is how low everything is. 271 attempts in 11 games. That’s not an NFL QB stat. And then 54% of them are either not caught or caught by the wrong guy. That’s just bad.

It's basically a Michael Vick stat... another southpaw. http://www.nfl.com/player/michaelvick/2504531/careerstats

Southpaw has nothing to do with it. Plenty of left handed QBs have plenty of success.

I don't believe that is an accurate statement. Very few lefty quarterbacks have made it in the NFL. Apparently, in the entire history of the NFL, there have only been 40 left handed QBs http://greatsportsnamehalloffame.blogspot.com/2009/07/there-have-been-only-32-left-handed.html and only one of them, Steve Young had a pass completion percentage above 60%. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~maxymuk/home/passing/qblh.html Steve Young is also the only left handed QB to be inducted into the Pro Hall of Fame. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.aspx?release_id=1413.

There’s one major difference between Testaverde and Tebow: this discussion. Vinnie didn’t have a big crowd of worshipers making life for his coaches bad every time he was on the bench. Because Tebow has all these followers that ignore his atrocious stats he be played even though he stinks he’s an instant quarterback controversy.

Ultimately, they are all entertainers and are compensated based on their entertainment value. If for whatever reason they can fill seats and sell licensed goods, teams will find a spot for them. Whatever Denver paid Tebow was more than recovered in sold out stadiums and sales of licensed goods. Tebow was a good investment for the Broncos. Has that happened with the Jets? I tend to doubt it. Might it happen with the Jaguars? Yes, at least for one season.

I know exactly why he has happy feet: he doesn’t know where the open man is and he wants to run.

That's because his whole style is run-first like Vick. I think it unrealistic to try and turn him into a Steve Young.

We know whether he’s been developing. He hasn’t. If he had he’d be the starter for the Jets.

That's an assumption but I don't think it safe to call it a fact. What I've heard is Jets management/coaches believed by having Tebow, opponents would be forced to spend practice resources preparing for the wildcat. Such strategy could only work if the Jets expended little of their own resources with wildcat preparation. That basically meant Tebow would be practicing with 3rd stringers. The strategy may have had some merit early in the season as opponents did put n extra effort preparing for a range of wildcat plays but they soon realized it made no sense preparing for scenarios the Jets starters weren't practicing for.

65 posted on 12/22/2012 2:16:50 PM PST by fso301
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