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Zum ersht Gunter Gras, itzt Von Karajan. In wemen ken men glueben? (OK. I don't know German spelling; just guessing from Yiddish) What is it with the arty farty, anyway? Ezra Pound, TS Eliot and even HL Mencken were all enamored with fascism.
1 posted on 12/16/2012 3:45:11 PM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

Karajan’s Heidegger moment, perhaps.....I sure hope not, though.


2 posted on 12/16/2012 3:48:57 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Eleutheria5

Beethoven wrote the Eroica for Napoleon, and Shostakovich’s 5th is dedicated to the Russian communist revolution of 1917. Both are beautiful.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 4:13:57 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: sitetest

Ping.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 4:30:05 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: Eleutheria5

Not being an English Lit major mind you but just my two cents of what I remember from my high school days, most of what these three wrote was crap. Pound most especially. Yeah, Mencken was a social critic but the love of fascism for failed artists(Hitler considered himself one) and writers who suck otherwise is that as long as they glorify the fascist leader, they’re a success and no one can criticize them in a fascist system.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 5:30:47 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Eleutheria5

With regard to truly creative artists, if I didn’t separate their work from their personalities, politics, whatever, I’ve have a small palette. Heck, Brecht angered Hitler and was close to being arrested when he escaped Germany but, on the other hand, he was a committed Marxist and returned to East Germany after the war.

As for actors and the like, they are pretty low on my list as far as talent goes and I have a hard time separating their talent from their personal life and beliefs.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 5:43:31 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Eleutheria5

He’s been dead for 23 years or so. Time to move on.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 5:47:12 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Eleutheria5

When he conducted the Horst Wessel Song in occupied Paris, that sealed my opinion of him.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 8:31:29 PM PST by InMemoriam
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You can’t judge the Thirties by what happened during the Forties. Let’s instead judge our own Communist sympathizers AFTER the horrors during the Thirties.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 8:34:29 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Eleutheria5

I have a discussion with myself similar to the one on this thread when I listen to the music of Richard Strauss. It is difficult to listen to his exquisite Three Last Songs while realizing he was something like the composer laureate of the Third Reich.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 2:23:44 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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What is it with the arty farty, anyway? Ezra Pound, TS Eliot and even HL Mencken were all enamored with fascism.

Pound, sure, and for decades afterwards. Eliot's sympathies were more with "right wing" intellectual movements than with actual fascist regimes.

Mencken was somewhat similar -- though less of a highbrow. He had contempt for the workings of democracy, but I don't think he was any more attracted to actual tyrannical regimes.

Nobody had a crystal ball and could see where things would end up, though. Mussolini, say, didn't become the "Mussolini" we've come to know and hate until after he'd been in power for some time. There were a lot of difficult decisions to make back then between alternatives that were both bad.

If you remember the Cold War years, the kind of bad and difficult choices we faced the interwar years weren't entirely different, though the alternatives were cruder and the naivete greater in the Twenties and Thirties than in the postwar years.

34 posted on 12/17/2012 2:43:55 PM PST by x
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Possibly the greatest nine minutes of recorded music in history....

Beethoven's 5th, 4th movement by Karajan and Berlin P. O.

35 posted on 12/17/2012 2:52:09 PM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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