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1 posted on 11/13/2012 6:05:59 PM PST by Steelfish
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You make a lot of good points.
You’ll like www.gone2012book..com


2 posted on 11/13/2012 6:08:49 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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how do we know we lost before we go over all the votes in the precincts that produced more votes than registered voters?....How do we know it stopped there? Is there a better time to expose voter fraud than when the votes are fresh?


3 posted on 11/13/2012 6:12:26 PM PST by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: Steelfish

You make a lot of good points.
You’ll like www.gone2012book..com


4 posted on 11/13/2012 6:13:13 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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More to the point is take a good look at the America people. Misinformed and most are fools.
5 posted on 11/13/2012 6:16:28 PM PST by Logical me
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“They go to the very heart of who we are as an expression of a common culture and Judeo-Christian ethic”

We are a post Judeo-Christian country, with no common culture any more. The constitution and the founding fathers are not held in anything approaching the regard they were even a generation or two ago.

The issue is how to maintain some vestiges of constitutional freedom while not using the Bible or what we used to consider cultural norms as justification.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 6:17:22 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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We've got FReepers wanting us to be more inclusive of atheists (shut up about religion, abortion or gay marriage)

The ‘nones’ say 2012 election proves they are a political force
7 posted on 11/13/2012 6:18:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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The MSM through media manipulation (persecution and slandering of more viable candidates), chose our nominee for us.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 6:19:04 PM PST by doc1019
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“Why We Lost”? It’s because the establishment Republicans are just as corrupt as the entrenched Marxist, Socialist, Democrats. We do not have a two party system. Period.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 6:22:03 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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Conservatives have been playing defence for long time.

remember what happened to Chick-Fil-A?


11 posted on 11/13/2012 6:31:20 PM PST by granada
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I doubt that a campaign to shout out about Obama’s helpfor the gay folks would have helped much.

A majority of people seem only too happy to accept perversion as “normal”

They voted for same sex marriage in 3 or 4 States including my own. Something I never thought I would see.

There are some sick people in this world.Including our Muslim President.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 6:31:59 PM PST by Venturer
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You make good points. But naming pederasty ‘gaiety’ is playing by their rules.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 6:34:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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No sorry I think the problem is, we have sold out too much.

Breaking unions is important.

But one must keep track of the bigger picture: Sending your business international builds up America’s competitors.

That is the growing problem. So while I oppose unions, I STRONGLY SUPPORT American jobs.

All American jobs.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 6:37:21 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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Another in a long line of vanities and articles refusing to deal with the Big Pink Elephant in the corner of the room that was the main problem this election cycle.

That would be the moderate/liberal candidate, Mitt Romney, that we had to deal with.

All the other issues, for the most part, are going to be with us, each and every election season until there is no more evil or Democrats (one and the same) in the world.

They will continue to cheat, their lap-dogs in the media will continue to lie, obfuscate, and try to cheat their candidate into the White House.

These things aren’t going away.

So what do we have some marginal control over?

We, as true conservatives, (and I don’t mean people trying to redefine the word to include support for Amnesty, Abortion or the Gay Agenda, or even ignoring fiscal conservatism), are going to have to stand up and tell the GOP-E, not only no, but HELL NO! to anymore liberal/moderate Presidential candidates like Bob Dole, John McCain, and the worst of the lot, Mitt Romney.

Either we get serious, and be willing to say no even in the face of the next Evil boggey-man, that the GOP will try and use to force us to vote for their loser of a candidate, or the party is doomed, both as a home of conservatives, and for any chance of winning a Presidential election ever again.

They will continue to attempt to abuse us like a battered wife only so long as we put up with it and go along with it.

Now is the time to put first things first and start planning in some fashion to defeat the GOP-E the next election cycle.

It is time to clean up our own house of these Benedict Arnolds, these traitors to everything we believe in and hold dear.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 6:46:15 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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Check out Brett Stephens in today’s WSJ, who says he had predicted the loss back in January, and that is because the GOP insisted on emphasizing the so called gay marriage and abortion, the former most people don’t care about, the latter, most people, he says, support in extreme cases.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 6:50:44 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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Limbaugh has asked how do you defeat Santa Claus?

By exposing him for the satan claus he actually is.

19 posted on 11/13/2012 6:53:02 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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Conservatives, the Tea Party, and Palin, were shut out by the GOPe, that being National Chairman Priebus and Romney/Sununu. Conservatives have Christian principles and that is not now allowed in the “official” Republican Party.

I doubt another Republican will be president as long as they remain liberal. FR will have to endorse another Republican liberal in 2016. Can you say, President Hillary Clinton? That is how the GOPe will get the FR vote - would you rather have Clinton or our liberal Republican? So, FR will take the liberal again. I think it will be Jeb Bush. I don't see any hope for conservatives in the future.

21 posted on 11/13/2012 6:59:15 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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I think your points are valid. I also think we have reaped the whirlwind of Alisky tactic for 30-40 years, even before most of us even heard of Alisky. Breitbart saw it before many. I think conservatives, contrary to their very nature, must engage with over-the-top militancy. Most conservatives are Christian, and as such, recoil at the notion of 'getting in their face'. But they understand it. Think...."We're here, we're queer, we're in your face!" Or any other militant chant or even the baseless assertions of Matthews. They are in our face. That is intimidating to most civil discourse. You're a racist! Repeated by the thousands of times each day. They have honned it to an artform. Somehow, we have to scream louder than they.

But we will not do it. It is not our nature. Reason will not carry the day. Yet we still try to reason with those who are, by their nature, unreasonable. The future looks dim for conservatism prevailing. The government plantation is where they work....and their work is simply voting democrat.

23 posted on 11/13/2012 7:04:02 PM PST by Texas Songwriter ( i)
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I fear that we lost because so many in our country have lost sight of the true God of the Bible. We embrace gays, we prop up muslims, we encourage drug use. It seems to me that “we” have gotten the president “we” deserve. It’s just unfortunate that so many of US have to pay the price as well.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 7:13:50 PM PST by tyrion
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Watch this and weep.

How Obama Became President

30 posted on 11/13/2012 7:34:53 PM PST by BigFinn (BigHat wisdom: Always drink upstream from the herd.)
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We ask why did we not run ads showing Obama's embrace of gay marriage and how under the Full Faith and Credit Clause will extend this to the red states? Why didn't we show how the gay culture has infected local school curriculum in places like California and Washington?... Why didn't we run ads on how Obama is requiring people of faith especially Christians and particularly Catholics to choose between their God and his agenda? .... While one can understand why Romney did not want to go there since he would have been tarred and feathered by the liberal media ....

A lot of us understand perfectly why Romney didn't want to go there -- those of us familiar with his record, anyway. For crying out loud, Catholic church charity adoption agencies in Massachusetts closed their doors because of law Romney created that would have forced them to accommodate gay "married" couples as "parents." Sure, you can find how later he tried to pawn it off as "nothing I could do, I tried to stop it ..." but any informed Republican is aware of the vast extent of Romney's pro-Gay agenda.

Between blatant vote fraud and a Republican candidate who was himself a fraud in terms of conservatism ... the Republicans lost.

Most Americans reject liberalism because most Americans are good, moral people. It is why Democrats have to cheat: they are outnumbered. But the trick up their sleeve is the MSM, which shapes perception such that "progressives" are the many hip and conservatives are the few squares. But read comments on the you tubes, the yahoo threads, the comments sections on links to LA Times articles. Granted, you see a lot of entitlement liberal idiots, but you see a lot of pretty level-headed folks who understand what a load of crap big government liberalism actually IS, and it's starting to dawn on some of them that elections have gotten downright stinky in America lately.

"Grown-up" Republicans who think in terms of pragmatism and Santa Claus are condescending boobs who also think the majority of Americans are "children." They belong in Europe if they're going to badmouth my country that way.

These "grown-up" Republicans vote for the likes of Romney, ridicule "birthers" and "vote fraud conspiracy theorists," and like the good beta dogs they are, live in a world where going alpha is just too scary.

Thus the alpha politicians create a Banana Republic because so damned many so-called American conservative patriots have neither the vision nor the confidence in their principles to GO ALPHA.

31 posted on 11/13/2012 7:40:17 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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