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Why We Lost- We Played By THEIR Rules (Vanity)
November 13, 2012

Posted on 11/13/2012 6:05:53 PM PST by Steelfish

As we enter the first week since we were shellshocked by the election results of last Tuesday and as 360 degree post-mortem analyses continue to abound, we must take away one major lesson from this epic disaster. We played by "their" rules and we lost.

When Bush won, it was because while he played by "their" rules, third-party backers appealed to value voters and of course we all know of the pivotal role played by the Swift-boaters that sunk the Kerry candidacy.

We ask why did we not run ads showing Obama's embrace of gay marriage and how under the Full Faith and Credit Clause will extend this to the red states? Why didn't we show how the gay culture has infected local school curriculum in places like California and Washington? The connection between gays and AIDS? Why were no questions raised about how a future Supreme Court was one vote away from constitutionalizing gay marriage and with that other polyamorous relationship and possibly incest? Why were no ads run by our side on how God was repeatedly booed at the DNC Convention? Why didn't we run ads on how Obama is requiring people of faith especially Christians and particularly Catholics to choose between their God and his agenda? And finally why were no ads run about the issue of illegals and unlimited immigration that has added to the costs of crime, schooling, and public benefits?

In a word, our side was snakebit. In the past conservative were hammered for raising what "they" called divisive and hate-filled wedge issues. We were stung by the liberal snakes and we kept clear of the snake pit.

In truth these are not wedge issues. They go to the very heart of who we are as an expression of a common culture and Judeo-Christian ethic. If demographics is destiny, culture is the engine that takes us there. And yet we refused to ride this vehicle because the road we were warned is fraught with liberal IEDs.

While one can understand why Romney did not want to go there since he would have been tarred and feathered by the liberal media, there was absolutely no reason why independent groups in the post-Citizens United era shied away. Instead we had Rove and Company throwing away $300 million playing from the same hymnal as Romney, telling voters that it was an economic theme and nothing else mattered.

Democrats will label Romney as a murderer and a felon and everything else on earth and under the earth but as soon as conservatives address value and cultural issues, the MSM descend upon us like a tsunami trying to bury us with labels like "playing dirty" and branding us as being "divisive" of the country and engaging in wedge issues. And not infrequently, they have the support of leading RINOS to further this meme.

Limbaugh has asked how do you defeat Santa Claus? By portraying him as coming to prey on your children, swamping your local schools with gay-filled garbage, and taking away your Bibles.

Unless and until Republicans and conservative stiffen up their spine and are willing to engage in this cultural war, we will continue to lose.


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1 posted on 11/13/2012 6:05:59 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

You make a lot of good points.
You’ll like www.gone2012book..com


2 posted on 11/13/2012 6:08:49 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Steelfish

how do we know we lost before we go over all the votes in the precincts that produced more votes than registered voters?....How do we know it stopped there? Is there a better time to expose voter fraud than when the votes are fresh?


3 posted on 11/13/2012 6:12:26 PM PST by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: Steelfish

You make a lot of good points.
You’ll like www.gone2012book..com


4 posted on 11/13/2012 6:13:13 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Steelfish
More to the point is take a good look at the America people. Misinformed and most are fools.
5 posted on 11/13/2012 6:16:28 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Steelfish

“They go to the very heart of who we are as an expression of a common culture and Judeo-Christian ethic”

We are a post Judeo-Christian country, with no common culture any more. The constitution and the founding fathers are not held in anything approaching the regard they were even a generation or two ago.

The issue is how to maintain some vestiges of constitutional freedom while not using the Bible or what we used to consider cultural norms as justification.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 6:17:22 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Steelfish
We've got FReepers wanting us to be more inclusive of atheists (shut up about religion, abortion or gay marriage)

The ‘nones’ say 2012 election proves they are a political force
7 posted on 11/13/2012 6:18:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Steelfish

The MSM through media manipulation (persecution and slandering of more viable candidates), chose our nominee for us.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 6:19:04 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Logical me

True, but we made no attempt to inform them of the consequences of their vote to their families and children aside from bread and butter issues. “Man Doth Not Live By Bread Alone,” and alas we ignored this.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 6:19:35 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

“Why We Lost”? It’s because the establishment Republicans are just as corrupt as the entrenched Marxist, Socialist, Democrats. We do not have a two party system. Period.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 6:22:03 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Steelfish

Conservatives have been playing defence for long time.

remember what happened to Chick-Fil-A?


11 posted on 11/13/2012 6:31:20 PM PST by granada
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To: Steelfish

I doubt that a campaign to shout out about Obama’s helpfor the gay folks would have helped much.

A majority of people seem only too happy to accept perversion as “normal”

They voted for same sex marriage in 3 or 4 States including my own. Something I never thought I would see.

There are some sick people in this world.Including our Muslim President.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 6:31:59 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Steelfish

You make good points. But naming pederasty ‘gaiety’ is playing by their rules.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 6:34:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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No sorry I think the problem is, we have sold out too much.

Breaking unions is important.

But one must keep track of the bigger picture: Sending your business international builds up America’s competitors.

That is the growing problem. So while I oppose unions, I STRONGLY SUPPORT American jobs.

All American jobs.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 6:37:21 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Venturer
We lost because we're leaving the machine untouched.

Here is just one part of the problem from what I posted last night.

I’ve been thinking about the road to long term victory and a return to a more traditional America and it seems to me that we’re so busy trying to take the castle that we’re leaving the marxist supply lines unscathed. We can take out the marxist at the top and another will be ready to take his place.

We have got to take control of education and end the production of new marxists. Pulling our kids out of the public schools is fine but it leaves the machine untouched and still pumping out new marxists. We also need to look at who built the machine, who maintains it and how to destroy their ability to do it again.

I wonder how many Americans went to the polls on Tuesday and gave any kind of priority to university boards of regents? These are positions that can cripple men like William Ayers who created much of the marxist indoctrination of our teachers that was and is then carried to the pre schools all the way back to the universities.

Here in Michigan I voted for tea party republican Rob Steel for 1 of 2 seats on the university board of regents. Steel finished 3rd meaning that two former union reps took the two positions. Unfortunately only a fraction of the people who voted for Romney, voted for Steel and most will say “Who?” if I say it today. Virtually every single state level education position went to democrats because we didn’t care enough about those races to bother voting in them.

15 posted on 11/13/2012 6:38:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Again another good point. If the GOP was smart, they would exploit the growing divide between public and private sector unions.

NYT: Prop 2 'An Embarrassing Loss for Labor'

The Times also pointed out that Proposal 2 received about 600,000 fewer votes than President Obama got in Michigan, “indicating that many Democrats turned against labor on this issue.”

Vernuccio noted that many Democrats and members of private-sector unions saw the amendment as “a power grab by government unions.”

16 posted on 11/13/2012 6:41:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Steelfish; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg; Washi; ...

Another in a long line of vanities and articles refusing to deal with the Big Pink Elephant in the corner of the room that was the main problem this election cycle.

That would be the moderate/liberal candidate, Mitt Romney, that we had to deal with.

All the other issues, for the most part, are going to be with us, each and every election season until there is no more evil or Democrats (one and the same) in the world.

They will continue to cheat, their lap-dogs in the media will continue to lie, obfuscate, and try to cheat their candidate into the White House.

These things aren’t going away.

So what do we have some marginal control over?

We, as true conservatives, (and I don’t mean people trying to redefine the word to include support for Amnesty, Abortion or the Gay Agenda, or even ignoring fiscal conservatism), are going to have to stand up and tell the GOP-E, not only no, but HELL NO! to anymore liberal/moderate Presidential candidates like Bob Dole, John McCain, and the worst of the lot, Mitt Romney.

Either we get serious, and be willing to say no even in the face of the next Evil boggey-man, that the GOP will try and use to force us to vote for their loser of a candidate, or the party is doomed, both as a home of conservatives, and for any chance of winning a Presidential election ever again.

They will continue to attempt to abuse us like a battered wife only so long as we put up with it and go along with it.

Now is the time to put first things first and start planning in some fashion to defeat the GOP-E the next election cycle.

It is time to clean up our own house of these Benedict Arnolds, these traitors to everything we believe in and hold dear.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 6:46:15 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Steelfish

Check out Brett Stephens in today’s WSJ, who says he had predicted the loss back in January, and that is because the GOP insisted on emphasizing the so called gay marriage and abortion, the former most people don’t care about, the latter, most people, he says, support in extreme cases.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 6:50:44 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Steelfish
Limbaugh has asked how do you defeat Santa Claus?

By exposing him for the satan claus he actually is.

19 posted on 11/13/2012 6:53:02 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Revolting cat!; Steelfish
Check out Brett Stephens in today’s WSJ, who says he had predicted the loss back in January, and that is because the GOP insisted on emphasizing the so called gay marriage and abortion, the former most people don’t care about, the latter, most people, he says, support in extreme cases.

Couldn't be more wrong.

Exactly the opposite.

Romney staked out a position guaranteed to tick off social conservatives and depress turn-out on our side.

THat position included the following:

1. Support for Gays in the Military.
2. Support for Gay Adoption
3. Support for Gays in the Boy Scouts
4. Support for Abortion in the cases of Incest, Rape, life, and HEALTH of the mother

Add to that no real clear vision with respect to limited government and reducing the size of Government coupled with his inability and refusal to clearly articulate a conservative message, and it becomes crystal clear that the problem isn't value voters, social conservatives, and/or fiscal conservatives.

THe problem was the moderate/liberal Mitt Romney representing a party whose base was conservative.

There was no excitement with the base, long term, to Get out the vote.

That is why we lost.
20 posted on 11/13/2012 6:57:45 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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