Posted on 11/12/2012 6:33:35 PM PST by MNDude
In your opinion, what are the five darkest times in US history (excluding this election since that would be too obvious)
My first thought for this list also. Wilson was evil.
Roe v Wade
Pearl Harbor
Wickard v. Filburn
Obamacare
Leaving our allies (the South Vietnamese) alone and cut off from military aid (by the Democratic congress) to face the retribution of the North Vietnamese.
My first marriage.. made the Bataan Death March look like the Bunny Hop
My second Honeymoon.. the period between “I DO”, and “YOU’D BETTER”
Worst being #1:
5. Re-election of FDR in ‘36 and ‘40. The inexorable march towards marxism is set in stone.
4. Introduction of slavery to the american colonies. Face it. How many of our longstanding societal problems would have been averted had this never happened.
3. Civil War (directly related to #4). After effects are still reverberating.
2. LBJ’s War on Poverty.
1. Obama ‘12 re-election. The final nail in the coffin.
were you actually in the march??? I know survivors of both Bataan and Coreigidor...and I tend to not be very amused when those are used for humor
Your #14 is a list I can agree with. I was going to say Dec. 7, 1941 which was the precursor for Corregidor, the Bataan Death March and all the horrors that followed. Good list, especially your indictment of LBJ and his creation of the American welfare state.
1) Winter of 1777, Valley Forge
2) Panic of 1837
3) Antietam, 1862
4) Bonus Army, summer 1932
5) 1970s: resignation of Nixon, two oil shocks, fall of Saigon, takeover of U.S. Embassy in Teheran
So very sorry my Friend.. great point.. some things are too horrendous.. Don’t know what I was thinking..
It’s only 4, but passing amendments 16 through 19 to the constitution put us on a path of destruction that started about 50 years after they were passed (one was fortunately repealed), the 16th and 17th amendments have nearly destroyed this country, and number 19 is very debatable, after women started voting with their “lady parts”. :<
1. September 11, 2001
2. December 7, 1941
3. November 22, 1963
4. April 14, 1865
5. October 29, 1929
In order of evil
1. Roe v. Wade
2. Legalizing slavery in the 13 new US states. I understand why, but still a dark moment in US history.
3. Genocide of Indians. Again, I understand it was just tit for tat vs true savage people, but somewhat a dark era of US history. We murdered a lot of Indian women and children.
4. Sherman’s scorched earth policy. The man was a truly evil fiend, even if his strategy proved brilliant. Sherman was a cold-hearted gutter punk.
5. The entire 1960’s counter culture and communist infiltration that ultimately doomed America.
Bonus round:
1968 Gun Control Act. The beginning of the end of Freedom in America.
Bonus round 2:
Baby Bush creates Homeland Security and especially TSA. If the 1968 GCA is the beginning of the end for freedom, then TSA/Homeland Security is the end of the beginning of Tyranny.
The Civil War
The Depression
WWII
Roe vs. Wade
Obama’s 2008 election
I have to admit that Obamacare is our final nail in the coffin.
Creation of the income tax and the Federal Reserve are way up there among dark moments in US history. This made certain our eventual economic collapse.
Really interesting. Virtually everyone cites Roe v. Wade. It is emerging as a real linchpin for the decline of what was a great country.
I am not as scholarly as the esteemed FReepers on this thread, but I’d put in descending order:
1. Acceptance/legalization of slavery. The bane of our existence. The basic denial of the essence of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. The terrible defect of our otherwise laudable history. Repercussions continue today.
2. Roe v Wade. We are no longer an overall decent moral people. It saps my pride of being an American, although I still am, due mostly to the many great Americans who have stood for life.
3. The Civil War, specifically, that the southern states seceded rather than agree to end slavery. We’d probably still have states rights if we hadn’t so tenaciously hung on to our “freedom” to own and abuse people. So many great men lost.
4. FDR’s Great Society - the bulwark of the social welfare state.
5. Tough to choose, so many to choose from, but I’ll go with the Kelo decision, which knocked the guts out of private property rights. The right to own property is an essential freedom which appears to depend now upon the whim of the bureaucrat.
I like your list about best, though would rank them differently. Just thought I’d clarify the Civil War was not precipitated by Westward expansion slavery. That caused strife, as in “bloody Kansas,” but not the big war. The free versus slave territory is a red herring; the Missouri Compromise l, Dred Scott, and the Pacific coast pretty much took care of it.
I remember being confused as to why the Mason Dixon line wasn’t extended all the way and that’s that, when I was in school. Turns out historians were confused, not me. There simply wasn’t anywhere new for slavers to go by 1860. Unless you’re one of the ones attributing to Southerners vast and insane designs to conquer the Caribbean.
When whites became Borg.
Creation of Socialist Insecurity, aka Social Security
The Supreme Court decision permitting eminent domain seizureof land simply cuz the local gov’t could GET MORE TAX REV if the land were developed (developer later went bankrupt).
Reelection of GayMuzzie
Roe v. Wade
Gun Control Act of 1968
FDR 3rd Term
1965 immigration act. Flood a nation with unassimilated Third Worlders, get a Third World nation. Anybody want to seriously argue we aren’t heading down that path culturally? A large segment has no appreciation for the founding principles simply because they came from the hated white male. They will never even grasp the outlines of the liberty they have just cast aside. It’s simply beyond their experience. Their chains will rest lightly indeed; they earnestly sought them out.
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