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I am trying to organize resistance to any new roundabouts in WI. They can be defeated, and every one that is killed will make the next easier to kill.

I have started a facebook page as a clearing house for info on new roundabouts and how to kill them:

http://www.facebook.com/RoundaoubtResistance

At this point I just want to concentrate on WI. Once we get this figured out here I'll be happy to open it up nationally. Or if someone in another state wants to take up the cause there I'll be happy to share as much info as I can.

1 posted on 10/22/2012 7:52:22 PM PDT by logic101.net
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I hate them.


2 posted on 10/22/2012 7:56:38 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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I hate stop lights so I love em.

I want more.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 7:58:19 PM PDT by DManA
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They are putting them in in Michigan. I hate them, they are confusing and dangerous. The newest one near me is going on an expressway overpass. What a disaster that will be! Why not just put in traffic lights?


4 posted on 10/22/2012 7:58:49 PM PDT by madison10
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I’m sorry, but your project is wrongheaded.

We have lots of roundabouts here in Kansas, and they work exactly as intended: traffic can flow smoothly through heavily traveled intersections without backing up as at traffic lights. In areas with heavy pedestrian traffic traffic lights are superior to the combination of roundabouts and pedestrian-right-of-way crossings, but in areas where it’s basically all vehicles, roundabouts are much better than traffic lights, any combination of stop-signs, or uncontrolled grade intersections.


5 posted on 10/22/2012 8:04:51 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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I like them, but here in New Jersey nobody calls them roundabouts! That sounds way too Britishy.

We call them circles.

8 posted on 10/22/2012 8:20:42 PM PDT by dead (It ain't over until the phone lady sings.)
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“Look kids, Big Ben, Parliment!” - Clark W. Griswold European Vacation


9 posted on 10/22/2012 8:21:00 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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“Look kids, Big Ben, Parliament!” - Clark W. Griswold European Vacation


10 posted on 10/22/2012 8:21:38 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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We had a terrible intersection where 2 major roads meet before crossing a bridge. It was always a 10-15 minute wait to get through the intersection. Now a 2 lane roundabout has replaced the old intersection and traffic moves at ~20mph but never has to stop. It’s a breeze getting through the area now.

I hope we get a lot more roundabouts here. The ones that people hate must be poorly designed.


12 posted on 10/22/2012 8:34:16 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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Raleigh Roundabout Debacle:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7566296/

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/25/2218567/crash-prone-roundabout-in-raleigh.html

14 posted on 10/22/2012 8:36:51 PM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (" Undecided Voter: someone who parades their stupidity as proof of their morality." ~David Burge)
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To: logic101.net; Grampa Dave; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; BOBTHENAILER; ...
"Often we will be told that they work so well in Europe."

Dang you people that offer that knee-jerk observation. We ditched the old country when we established out independence from it. All you liberal European socialists just STFU!!!

I am so pleased that this newspaper is one of the first to offer a truly American observation and sound the cry to sink this outgrowth of phony moral superiority amongst lovers of liberalism.

They won't be happy till we're all riding bicycles around those stupid roundabouts dressed as Chinese Commonists in identicle clothing shaded by those cone-headed coolee hats like in 1972 when Nixon (another socialist) went there to see some ping-pong games!!!

21 posted on 10/22/2012 9:20:07 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("The New Normal," is FAR from any normality!!!)
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Until you have been on the roundabout in the middle of Paris, France, you haven’t lived (err, almost died).

I was with a seasoned French woman driver of roundabouts and that’s the worst kind because they jam their foot on the gas and brake at the same time, alternating those at the speed of light. It was frightful.

Then we had to get our bags out of the hotel and there was no place to park, so she parked in a driving lane in front of the hotel. We threw our bags in the car, all the while a police car was two cars back of us with screaming siren going trying to get to us because we were blocking that lane of traffic jammed with cars.

We took off in the car and I don’t know what happened to the cop car.

Then, another day, after shopping for china, she is driving us through the Alps and it’s two lanes made out of one lane, and there is a sheer drop off to eternity on my side. She is driving in the middle since it’s so narrow, going around blind curves at this fast speed. I am thinking the beautiful china I just bought is going to end up off the mountain along with me if a car comes around the bend.

French drivers are nuts.


22 posted on 10/22/2012 9:26:47 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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I love roundabouts, because they separate drivers from idiots. However, a lot of roundabouts are built a little too small, which makes it hard to easily maneuver around them.

There are other really cool ways to do intersections that make a lot more sense than the traditional 4-way stop sign/light. But people are resistant to change, even good change.

For example, one thing we are seeing more of is the urban interchange. In this configuration, instead of a large cloverleaf (which people do like, and which btw is a lot like a roundabout), you bring the lower road entrance/exits away from the road, but then swing them back at each other, having them intersect in a cross at the bridge with the other road. This gives you a 6-way intersection, which you can control easily with a stop light. Takes up almost no space, hence the “urban intersection”, but also reduces accidents if the cross-road is very busy (controlled light instead of idiots trying to merge).

Anyway, the thing I loved most driving in England was their roundabouts. I was actually better at them than the british drivers, who didn’t have the skill we get here in the states at speeding up to merge into small gaps.

I close with my favorite wife anecdote. We’re driving through England, where they use road signs that tell you where you are going, rather than what road you are on. We hit a roundabout, and I started circling while my Wife looked at the map to figure out which way to go off the roundabout. I circled once, twice, and said “figure out yet where we are going” and she said “no”. Circled 3, 4 times, and said “are you ever going to figure it out”, and she burst into tears.


26 posted on 10/22/2012 9:42:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Blame the US Department of Transportation for this one. Their FHWA guidebook says that roundabouts should be favored over traffic signals.


27 posted on 10/22/2012 9:44:12 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Kick Obama out of the White House in 2012.)
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I hate them too....the put them in the most ridiculous areas where there is hardly any traffic.....

just follow the money though....they make big bucks for somebody's friends....

28 posted on 10/22/2012 9:49:25 PM PDT by cherry
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I love roundabouts. The ones built in Alaska have reduced congestion and greatly sped up traffic. I’m all for them.


30 posted on 10/22/2012 9:50:13 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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Why kill roundabouts?

They work better than intersections, they save time and fuel.

They are also safer than intersections.

The only reason to hate them is if you don’t know how to use them.

They are easy to use, really. Just remember:

When entering the roundabout yield to the traffic already in the roundabout. You don’t stop before entering except to yield to traffic already in the roundabout.

If you are IN the roundabout you don’t stop at each entrance/exit point (unless some idiot pulls out in front of you, of course) you have the right of way and the traffic that is waiting to enter the roundabout is supposed to yield to you.

If you miss your turn out, just go around again!

Really, if somebody can’t handle something as simple as a roundabout then they really should reconsider their fitness to be behind the wheel.


39 posted on 10/22/2012 10:32:21 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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Roundabouts beat the daylights out of four-way stops and some busy two-way stop intersections. And while the cost of the road may be higher, the cost of a traffic light is eliminated. A roundabout was built in my town at an intersection that was busy enough that the school buses couldn’t turn at rush hour, but that didn’t carry a load of traffic most of the day. Wrecks were frequent back when is was a standard two way stop intersection. I know of none since the roundabout opened. Works great.

Since interstates were developed in Germany, are they anti-American too? I don’t understand the blanket rejection. Some are good, some are great, some not-so-good.


45 posted on 10/23/2012 2:05:16 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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Big roundabouts are far the most sensible way to route converging traffic in European cities where roads into the city converge on central points. When properly designed they can be much quicker and smoother to navigate at a major intersection than a traffic light would be. Tulsa has one such. All the rest of the roundabouts I have seen in the USofA aree clumsy attempts to emulate Europe. It doesn’t help that in this country they remain oddities and drivers are unaccustomed to them. It only takes a small percentage of drivers that don’t deal with them well to render them dangerous and to slow progress unnecessarily.


46 posted on 10/23/2012 3:03:59 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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I hate them too! I've almost been nailed several times by cars that failed to yield to my right of way and I've seen it happen to others......

I even lightly rear-ended some lady who started into the roundabout with me following and then she suddenly stopped. When I asked her why she stopped she said she didn't know what the guy coming in on our left was going to do...(It was clear for us because the guy had stopped for traffic on his left)

47 posted on 10/23/2012 3:25:00 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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There are places where they work great, and places where they are insufficient.


48 posted on 10/23/2012 3:29:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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