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Besides no Conservative Leaning questions from Candy Cruller, Why no Libertarian Questions? - Vanity

Posted on 10/17/2012 9:20:50 AM PDT by GraceG

The one that that stood out for me was the fact that even in the RNC primary we had at least 1 or 2 Libertarian questions a debate from the "peanut gallery". We never even got ONE question like:

"What do you think the role of the Federal Government should be?"

"What percentage of taxes on ANYONE is too much?"

"If the question in tax policy is fairness, and the same percentage of a tax being mathmatically fair, why isn't a FLAT TAX an option in your opinion?"

"We talk about the war on terror, what about the war on drugs and it's failure?"

"At what point if the government telling us what to eat going to far?"

Nothing, of cource "Candy Cruller" did nothing but pick questions that were left leaning...

Granted I am a small L libertarian conservative, but no good questions about the PHILOSOPHY of government, of course someone put it in good contaxt today that all the "undecided" voters at the debate were nothing more than mere liberals that were pissed off Obana didn't go far enough LEFT in his first term....


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To: OneWingedShark

Who “loves” this law?


61 posted on 10/17/2012 3:23:29 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob

“There are no “socialists” in the GOP.”

Demonstrably false. Snowe, McCain, Romney... Each have espoused core principles that are the very definition of Socialism.


62 posted on 10/17/2012 3:51:45 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: arrogantsob

“I know more about American History than you ever will.”

No. You don’t or you wouldn’t mouthing the inanities that you are...

My screen name is an IQ test. You failed. Look up the etymology of the word “corpse”. Particularly the proper usage of the Latin root form.

Logic? Logic wouldn’t kiss you after a six pack much less on the first date...


63 posted on 10/17/2012 3:55:49 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You passed the IQ test. Literally one in thousands gets that.


64 posted on 10/17/2012 3:57:37 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: arrogantsob

“Welfarism is not socialism.”

Actually, yes it is. Marxist Socialism to be exact. “From each according to their ability. To each according to their need.”

Maybe we should switch your screen name to something more apt; ignorantsob.


65 posted on 10/17/2012 4:02:45 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Ingtar
Randomly selecting questions would not have helped. In order for that to work, you have to randomly select the questioners, and then from a more varied pool than Long Island.

Libertarianism isn't really an East Coast thing.

If they'd had this debate in Denver, where the first one was held, there might have been some libertarian questions.

66 posted on 10/17/2012 4:12:57 PM PDT by x
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To: arrogantsob
Why do you think Dr. Sowell is the Rose and Milton Friedman Fellow?

Dr. Friedman's books would also be a great introduction to libertarian thinking. See also the publications of the Ludwig von Mises Institute

I disagree with the premise that someone has to be a libertarian rather than a conservative, many people are both. And many of the best expositions of libertarian ideas have been written by economists, von Mises being one example.

I have read portions of The Theory of Money and Credit, and would read the rest if I had more time to pore over the details in it. It is a great book, and available online at The Library of Economics and Liberty

67 posted on 10/17/2012 4:39:53 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Dead Corpse

Total baloney.

Those who throw the term “socialist” around use it just to say they don’t like someone. It has no meaning when used by these people.


68 posted on 10/17/2012 5:27:38 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Hilarious stuff.


69 posted on 10/17/2012 5:29:27 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Socialism “ A social and economic system in which the means of production are collectively owned and equality is given a high priority.” Penguin Dictionary of Economics


70 posted on 10/17/2012 5:34:26 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
Who “loves” this law?

I would posit anyone who thinks stripping Constitutionally guaranteed rights from someone for life.
(Either they should be fully free, or still imprisoned, or dead; the creation and maintenance of this secondary class of citizen cannot bring good fruit: for it is [born of] evil.)

71 posted on 10/17/2012 5:38:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dead Corpse
You passed the IQ test. Literally one in thousands gets that.

Thank you.
Though I'm curious about which part was the 'pass': looking up and referencing the definition, or the Theological connection?

72 posted on 10/17/2012 5:39:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Neither Sowell nor Friedman were members of the Austrian School which seems to be a hallmark for Libertarianism.

However, the failure of both of those theories seems to be the tendency to ignore the political realities posed by democratic institutions.

We have a gigantic government because that is what the People thought they wanted and they had the votes to create it. Democracy will overrule proper policy on many occasions.


73 posted on 10/17/2012 5:39:34 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I have no need of an IQ test particularly one that you believe is so.

Arguments D.C. can’t handle = inanities


74 posted on 10/17/2012 5:42:59 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You “posit” wrong.

I am a strong advocate of capital punishment but I am also a realist and realize that in reality we are not going to get that as long as women have the vote or the media exists as presently constituted.

It is doubtful that the felons stripped of certain rights as a price of their crimes would rather be either dead or in the joint. I’m sure the Second Best solution is preferred aren’t you?


75 posted on 10/17/2012 5:49:38 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
Socialism “ A social and economic system in which the means of production are collectively owned and equality is given a high priority.” Penguin Dictionary of Economics

Given the assumptions of the overly regulatory government, especially a "democracy", how is this functionally different from socialism?

76 posted on 10/17/2012 5:50:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

The theory of the Welfare state is let the economy operate and drain it like a parasite versus dictate everything about it from what to produce to the prices and wages paid. There is a lot more freedom in the first instance therefore it is more “Libertarian”.


77 posted on 10/17/2012 5:54:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
It is doubtful that the felons stripped of certain rights as a price of their crimes would rather be either dead or in the joint. I’m sure the Second Best solution is preferred aren’t you?

No. Precisely because that way leads to injustice; particularly insidious is the [philosophical] assumptions that normalization of the practice forces one to accept [albeit unconsciously].
This secondary class of citizen is particularly abominable because otherwise Constitutionally guaranteed rights now become dependent upon the government. Or, to put it into another light, was it right for the Branch Davidians to be denied their rights [1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th]? -- Especially after the Waco incident, as there were constant justification of the federal response via allegation of pedophilia/polygamy, i.e. "the seriousness of the charge" apparently makes the need for one to be informed of the nature of the accusation, or a trial, or their lives & liberty being taken w/o trial, or the ability to petition the government for redress in the actually presented charges (making full-auto firearms, particularly WRT tax-law)?

The two are really the same thing in their natures.

78 posted on 10/17/2012 6:08:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: arrogantsob
We have a gigantic government because that is what the People thought they wanted and they had the votes to create it. Democracy will overrule proper policy on many occasions.

So then you agree that we're more a democracy than anything else?

Given that admission, and the fact that failure to pay taxes [particularly property] results in the government taking property (and therefore is not really your property, but 'on loan' from the government) -- Would it be utterly inaccurate to say the current state is also socialist in nature?

79 posted on 10/17/2012 6:11:36 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

With the removal of Senatorial appointment by the states we took a big step towards democracy, same is true with the continual expansion of the electorate. Should the Electoral College be removed or effectively circumvented we would be pretty much a democracy.

Government has always taxed property and always will, that has nothing to do with socialism in which you would have NO private property at all. Even without government you hold property only conditionally. In fact, you hold it more tenuously without government.


80 posted on 10/17/2012 6:16:58 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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