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Posted on 09/23/2012 1:43:05 PM PDT by Vinylly
I think it’s more of a case of the further left the Dems have moved post-JFK, many(not all but many) Roman Catholics are learning it is not in their best interest to continue voting for his party.
It’s about time; ethnic Catholics missed the boat for the past 40 years when the leftists took control of the democrat party back in ‘72, I guess they either were asleep at the switch, fellow travelers ignoring the basic edicts of their faith (pro-life, pro-marriage, etc.) or were praying for a miracle that the party would go back to it’s earlier roots, representing the common man and union worker. Oh well, never too late, but we’re at the end of the line, and it finally took the Church to file lawsuits to finally protect their rights after looking the other way for four decades. Give them 12 recitations of the Rosary as part of their penance and vote for Romney/Ryan. Now get on board and pay attention. Sheesh.
I think the damage the contraceptive mandate did to Obama with Catholic voters is underestimated by political and media liberals. It was in bulletins and priests were speaking about it in church. The liberals may be very surprised on election night, as stunned as they were in 2004 when “values” were found to be the number one issue. Also, I think the seeds planted in this country by Popes Benedict XVI and John Paul II on their visits here may be starting to sprout.
Abortion...
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I have to ask. What is Borkwurst?
“Vote, register to vote (and here's how). I will not tell you who to vote for, BUT you must remember that certain issues are not acceptable and not negotiable to Catholics and you stand accountable to God on this. Those issues are:
1. Life is sacred before birth, throughout life, and until natural death. Euthanasia is evil. You cannot vote for what is evil, or for those who support it.
2. The religious freedom of all people to refuse to pay for abortion and forms of birth control that may cause an abortion must be defended.
3. The definition of marriage is defined by natural law and the word of God to be solely between a man and a woman.
I'm not sure that North Eastern Priests/Bishops have the stones to say this, but it was said clearly and unequivocally at Mass today. When the letter was finished, the congregation applauded.
Now I'd like to here from some of you in the North East, as my experience while attending Mass there in the summer has been a severe case of Catholic-lite.
“Vote, register to vote (and here's how). I will not tell you who to vote for, BUT you must remember that certain issues are not acceptable and not negotiable to Catholics and you stand accountable to God on this. Those issues are:
1. Life is sacred before birth, throughout life, and until natural death. Euthanasia is evil. You cannot vote for what is evil, or for those who support it.
2. The religious freedom of all people to refuse to pay for abortion and forms of birth control that may cause an abortion must be defended.
3. The definition of marriage is defined by natural law and the word of God to be solely between a man and a woman.
I'm not sure that North Eastern Priests/Bishops have the stones to say this, but it was said clearly and unequivocally at Mass today. When the letter was finished, the congregation applauded.
Now I'd like to here from some of you in the North East, as my experience while attending Mass there in the summer has been a severe case of Catholic-lite.
That was clear with the election of Cardinal Dolan to be head of the USCCB. He wasn't even on the BALLOT at first, but the Bishops most recently elevated by John Paul II and Benedict XVI were instrumental in putting Dolan in over the liberal Bishop who many expected to win.
In recent decades white Catholics have been moving some toward republicans, but this shift is too little, too late, because those white Catholics are rapidly being replaced with Hispanic Catholics, just as the older white Catholics are starting to see the light.
As bad as it is, people don’t realize that this is the best period of Catholic voting in our history, but this small window is already disappearing, and will quickly return to the normal Catholic vote.
California is the American future.
Then again, there are too many people who call themselves Americans who should not.
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The majority of Catholics in America came from minority ethnic groups—Irish, Italian, Polish, and so on. They were mostly discriminated against in the earlier years, and mostly working class. They identified with the Democrat Party as the party of the workers.
That began to change with Roe v. Wade. As the abortion issue became more and more identified with Democrats, many Catholics moved over to the Republican party, until it became roughly 50-50, instead of 70-30 or whatever it was before.
Regretably, in that same time period the Church in America began to lose its way, with dissident voices and too many dissident bishops. Otherwise, the movement from Democrat to Republican would have been more decisive.
I think some Catholics were fooled into voting for Obama because of social justice issues, and because they didn’t know how extremely pro-abortion he was. How would they? The press didn’t tell them, and Juan McCain stupidly refused to make an issue of it.
A lot of them still don’t really understand the problem, but I think the word is spreading. FWIW, I haven’t heard a single word from the pulpit of our parish on Obama’s extreme baby-killing and gay marriage positions, or his plans to violate religious liberty. There has been a lot of words spreading around the web, but not everyone is aware of that.
Anyway, I think fewer Catholics will vote for Obama this time around. And if the bishops and pastors would only do their job (IRS to the contrary not withstanding), even fewer would vote for Obama.
I love our bishop here in St Augustine! He’s been really bold on this, and I plan to go to the overnight Adoration in the Blessed Sacrament chapel at the Cathedral.
For those of you who don’t know, our bishop (Bp Felipe Estevez) got out of Cuba as a teenager with a Catholic refugee program called Operation Pedro Pan, and was brought up by a family in Indiana until he went to seminary.
He knows first-hand what happens when government attacks.
You made a pen on your computor?
Catholicism is the American future. Whether that future is good or not so good depends on American Catholics, both laity and clergy.
You need to stop omitting the caveat “in my unlearned opinion” from your posts.
I wouldn’t say that, while immigration maintains the Catholic percentage of the population and makes up for the whites leaving Catholicism, that is all that it does, it doesn’t increase the numbers, and any modest immigration reform could slow even that.
The operative illusion here is that in a democracy demographics decide. In fact, the elite decides. Today, we have the secularist-agnostic media and education elite putting the Democrats on top. They do so in every market: in Hispanic Southwest and in Anglo-Saxon Northeast, and even in the largely white long-ancestry Midwest we struggle to elect people who represent our values, because -- not of the Hispanics, however they back-fill the white working class of old as Democratic fodder, -- but because of the semi-educated, well-spoken, secure in their liberal bias, irreligious, white middle class; they are the transmission belt of liberal ideas into the American voting public. They are the ones who perpetuate the caricature of a conservative being an illiterate racist who can't compete for high-tech jobs with the Hindus, or a religious fanatic straight from the Middle Ages who thinks the earth is flat, or a big guy with a tiny penis driving an SUV because he can't control his woman anymore.
Now, that is what Protestant White America produced: these faithless wimps sitting in our schools and regulatory agencies are the American ruling class and they are product of American Protestantism. Conservative Protestantism exists, but it has nothing to propose that does nor further reinforce the liberal stereotype; it in fact cannot see itself straight out of the three-stick forest of Protestant theology.
Where is Pat Robertson's "invisible army" of 1988? Right, same place as in 1988, caricature fodder. Protestantism does not have a credible Protestant elite to move the numbers. It presently serves as a giant denominational pump that consumes Catholic weaklings and produces well-meaning agnostics, America's other growing religious group besides Islam.
The Catholic Church has its share of problems, mostly self-inflicted, but we are the force of intellectual superiority because we operate in the realm of truth. The numbers will come along, -- certainly not this election cycle and maybe not a few more. But we are the force ascendant. Observe, by the way, the Left knows who is going to read to them their last rites. No one tries to slander, discredit, ridicule, lie about, recruit to the cause, intimidate, and harass with lawsuits the American Protestants, because no one is afraid of them any more. It is the Catholic Church that is the target of the Left, and we like it that way.
[12] ...they will lay their hands upon you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and into prisons, dragging you before kings and governors, for my name's sake. [13] And it shall happen unto you for a testimony. [14] Lay it up therefore into your hearts, not to meditate before how you shall answer: [15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to resist and gainsay.[16] And you shall be betrayed by your parents and brethren, and kinsmen and friends; and some of you they will put to death. [17] And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake. [18] But a hair of your head shall not perish. [19] In your patience you shall possess your souls. (Luke 21)
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