You will all become roybotts
Posted on 09/16/2012 11:52:44 AM PDT by fabian
Now celebrating 52 years of helping people on the radio! For over half a century Roy Masters has been helping people overcome their most difficult problems. As the nation’s first and longest running radio counselor, Roy Masters has advised callers with a unique ability to hear inner problems, heal fears and sexual stresses, and help people take charge of their own lives. Great show and exactly what the world needs! Here is a radio show stations page... http://www.fhu.com/radiostations.html
you really don’t realize the depths of deception you’ve allied your self with.
You are STILL caught up in playing defense for Mr. Masters! If everyone here is making stuff up and lying about what the man teaches (your words), then, rather than direct them and others to his website - which we already know says very little about the specifics - preferring to have people pay him for more information - why not share what his words really are? You can claim all day that "they're not his words" but unless you say what his words ARE, your comments do nothing more than play catch up. You say he does not teach an "eastern" form of meditation, but it sure looks similar to it when his teachings are posted.
I'm assuming since you are a big fan and you support him financially, you must be in possession of his books, right? So, quote the relevant passages that you claim are being misrepresented, prove he really is teaching something different. And, let me remind you once again, you are imputing motives and pretending you can read another's heart by saying things like, "you don't care" and "you're not a kind, honest person" and "you only want to be right". Traits that can readily be applied to you just as easily.
So, like I said, if you really care about people getting the correct impression of Roy Masters and finding this sinless freedom you claim you enjoy, don't send them to a website that you already know says very little outright and only wants to upsell his tapes and books, come out and quote from the books you already have. Those of us here have not been stingy with information - we copy and paste passages from Scripture rather than just tell someone to look it up themselves and quote from documentation from and about the man. Maybe if you took a little more time and put a little more thought into your comments, instead of always fighting back, you might be able to progress to actually having a dialog instead of a debate that you continue to blow due to anger issues. Just some helpful advice, take it or leave it.
THAT “for instance,” was never specified by you, and is not a referenced quote, which normally have numbers after them per the standard practice, but it was included just after the quote with its number due to some piece of html code unintentionally being in there (and my hastily not previewing it)
And which you and i perpetuated in reposting, as was another comment, while after that which supplied some clarification by me, (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=579#538) you broadly stated that “those, [plural] are not Roy’s quotes.” (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=545#545) However, thus i showed that the number-referenced quotes are indeed from Masters, and that my comment is accurate.
And the next quote you reject as being from Roy is also from him, which my next post will address and document.
>Occasionally you will feel suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become "one" with all nature. .235 (p. 41)<
And that melting into and becoming one with the universe is not Roy...he knows we do not become one with the universe...that is new age stuff and Roy is most definitely not new age.
Wrong, as that is indeed the words of Ray, as you can see right here in “How Your Mind Can Keep You Well,” p. 41, http://books.google.com/books?id=lE5maGVa0NgC&printsec=frontcover#v=snippet&q=melted%20into%20the%20universe%20and%20become&f=false
Thus by your own analysis Roy does indeed teach “new age” stuff, which other quotes from the same book (among others) are like:
Just observe as though you were looking through the middle of your forehead, the place where thoughts arise,
The process of imagery is designed to inaugurate a chain reaction of responses touched off by conscious awareness. When your hand begins to rise, it is evidence of an energy value originating within you. But once you discover that by concentration through the middle of your forehead you can affect bodily responses, then imagery is no longer necessary.
Just being aware of the patterns of light and color that you see in your mind, and projecting them into the tingling of your hands, is all that is necessary....The patterns of light are etheric “computer” data that replace the lying imagination and its excuse-making proclivities. They effect every cell and nerve fiber in your being. They are the reverse of light waves of environmental pressure that affect your body adversely. As they reverse the negative effects of pressure, they impart an intelligent pattern of enfoldment. (How Your Mind Can Keep You Well, The object of meditation)
Mmm, i do not know. May God bless here and give her grace and help.
I think I see another good reason for this thread to continue...fabian is being helped to see the REAL Roy Masters rather than the pretend teacher he plays on his radio program. Perhaps with these insights, the clear Scripture passages and lots of prayer, fabian may have a chance to be converted and saved God's way. With God all things are possible.
Do you have the book in your hands and are quoting from it, no you are not. Plenty of people hate Roy and take things and twist them and online stuff can easily be manipulated. As I said before, some are true quotes and others are not. Roy is not into new age at all but if it is not understood or in the bible, for you it is wrong and that is ok....but don’t go and slander the man and you never commented on the brief youtube video....is that because it is indeed not what you all have thought of Roy?
Thanks CB I did not know about metmom either! Hoping and praying for her soon return.
Grace and peace to you all in Jesus name.
Silly boy!
He has painted himself!
Right into a corner, too!
Dang!
NOW you is a mind reader, too??
Roy does not believe we will become one with the universe. Actually we become at war with many people in this world the brighter we shine...we become the salt of the earth. Here is a short YouTube of Roy describing his anti-hypnosis and how not trying to save ourselves is key to becoming saved. It is from 1980 and there are plenty more on YouTubes for anyone who wants to know the real Roy and not the false one that these “Christians” here have put forward in the confused states...
http://youtu.be/EZcmFpOLTYY
And here is a very brief description of the origination of the forehead right hand Be Still exercise as it came from the ancient Jews. Hardly new age stuff...
http://youtu.be/AeUfaQEVgcI
You will all become roybotts
Now you are really desperate. You called me dishonest, a liar, etc., rejecting quotes as being from Masters, and rejected a site which referenced them, and when referenced quotes were even further documented by Google's online books - which is better than a physical book as all online can see the former – you still persisted in your rejecting them, even after further clarification to differentiate between my comments and Masters quotes in case that was your only objection (again, my error), even demanding now that i have a physical book! Thus (as a fruit of devotion to Masters and his occultist meditation) you are not only accusing others of fabrication but implying Google is as well, though you likely would refuse to be convinced by a photocopy of the material in the physical books if i provided it.
As for a videos, that and the short articles on his web site which you restrict us too only provide a fraction of what he teaches, but researching requires us to look beyond what the subject may only want us to freely see, and entails looking at the greater volume of their teaching, whether it be a politician or a psychologist, and which usually exists in writing, and which i prefer as it can be more precisely documented, as i have continually done.
However, you have denied documented truth, and resorted to character assignations of those who expose Masters (beyond simply asserting we are the unenlightened) who has been clearly documented as doctrinally being an elitist anti-Christian man, who effectively damns all who hold to basic historical Christian faith.
Now you should be reported to the RM (not Roy Masters), though i rarely have ever done so, because you are continually fostering a low and liberal manner, of debate, and even impudently said you do not care if you are reported, all of which should not be encouraged.
And here is a very brief description of the origination of the forehead right hand Be Still exercise as it came from the ancient Jews. Hardly new age stuff...
As most know, “New Age” does not mean it is new, while in the video Masters is simply attempting to validate part of his exercise by asserting it is the real meaning behind Jewish prayer with its tefillin (two black leather boxes, one worn by Jewish men (not women) on the forehead and the other on the upper left, nor right, arm).
However, the Jewish man whom Master invokes as saying this is most likely part of the esoteric Kabbalah school, rejected by the Orthodox, while in any case simply being a Jewish belief does not make something Scriptural, as seen by the abundant superstition in the Talmud.
And even wearing the tefillin is not what Scripture is referring to in Ex. 13:16; Dt. 6:8; 11:18, as seen by Dt. 13:9,16, nor is it referring to the kind of body awareness promoted by Masters meditation, with its looking outward through the middle of the forehead and at the same time being aware of one’s right hand, and rejecting focus upon words of Scripture. Instead it means to be conscious of the words of the law of God, keeping it foremost in the heart, (Dt. 32:46; Ps. 119:11; Prv. 6:21; 7:2) which God set down in writing and in which men were to delight. (Ps. 19:1; 119)
And this looking as through you were looking through your forehead (the “third eye”) as part of gaining esoteric knowledge is more akin to the occult.
What an open third eye does mean is that you will have a 'knowing' of ancient knowledge at your fingertips as events unfold for you in your life. An open third eye means that you will receive 'hits' of information and insights about other people that you are working with or in relationship with. This will assist you in making higher choices for yourself as you navigate your life. — http://www.dnaalchemy.com/Opening_The_Third_Eye.html
Masters:
Simply have the awareness of the middle of your forehead, of your mind's eye. Just observe AS THOUGH you were looking through the middle of your forehead, the place where thoughts arise, and then see if you can locate where your hand is rising up toward the middle of your forehead. See if you can draw your arm up toward the middle of your forehead, energizing your am through being very aware of it. (“How Your Mind Can Keep You Well,” II The meditation exercise)
You will find yourself expressing wisdom and knowledge that you never outwardly learned or heard before.
Each new stratum of consciousness is entered only when we have successfully traveled through the strata preceding it. (“How Your Mind Can Keep You Well,” pp. 41, 42; http://books.google.com/books?id=lE5maGVa0NgC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=Just%20observe%20as%20though%20you%20were%20looking%20through%20the%20middle%20of%20your%20forehead&f=false)
And in addition to the forehead and hand part of Masters meditation you have the various other possible effects such as hand rising evidencing an energy value originating within you, or feeling your hand is detached, or as though you were wearing a tight skullcap, and or cold shivers, labored or heavy breathing, and or stimulation, almost like that provided by a shot of brandy, and or that your body had melted into the universe and become “one” with all nature,... leading you back to your inner self. (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=569#569)
Your attempts to validate Masters as being Biblical continues to result in more evidence that he is not.
God does grant repentance unto life (Acts 11:18; 16:14; 2Tim. 2:25) and our work is prayerfully and patiently instruct such in the truth of Scripture, it being the supreme authority.
But the denial of the legitimacy of what indicts Masters is unwarranted here, unless we can evidence that Google itself is engaging in fabricating the work of even living authors in its copies of books, which would surely be exposed. Perhaps someday but not yet.
And such denials of evidence is akin to that seen by devotees to such orgs as the Watchtower cult (which also denies the Deity of Christ, and misrepresents the Trinity. As described here in this edifying defense of the faith:http://tektonticker.blogspot.com/
Thats some forehead.
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Too bad for you...because the written word has become your God. There is much not covered in the bible. ..obviously!
Sorry but you are going by second and third hand references as though you had the books yourself referring to actual pages. Check back with me when you actually have one of his books.
You are a liar because Roy is nothing like new age and he does not believe at all that we become one with the universe. Even a cursory research on him speaking om youtube shows people that. You are a deciever and manipulator because you yourself believe the lies as truth. You are just another rote phoney type of christian. Maybe someday you will see that, who knows.
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