The man that is helping to produce strong conservatives. On radio for 52 years!

fhu ^ | 09/16/12 | fabian

[fabian]

Now celebrating 52 years of helping people on the radio! For over half a century Roy Masters has been helping people overcome their most difficult problems. As the nation’s first and longest running radio counselor, Roy Masters has advised callers with a unique ability to hear inner problems, heal fears and sexual stresses, and help people take charge of their own lives. Great show and exactly what the world needs! Here is a radio show stations page... http://www.fhu.com/radiostations.html

[fabian]

Well, people can see for themselves. The true nature of the Be Still and how it helps to seperate people from fantasy land in their thoughts is shown in Roy’s short demonstarion here. As opposed to eastern type of meditation which gets people MORE involved in their thoughts and fantasy land, which actually blocks salvation from happening. Will anyone of you admitt that you have been wrong here?

http://youtu.be/oJrtH4Uy5R4

[fabian]

yes , I agree that you are indeed demon possessed. But your demon is playing like a religious one and has uttelry fooled you.

[Godzilla]

nor Roy’s quote. I

Those quotes are properly cited from roy boy's talks and writings. No reason to wade thru the bilge at fhu with all its psychotic eastern mysticism babble.

[Godzilla]

You are a vile person actually but you cover your vileness in false religiosity.

Spoken like a true follower of masters. Step away from the koolaid fabie before it is too late.

[Godzilla]

So here is Roy on radio actually doing the very very simple Be Still for a lady caller . . .

Potential source of revenue - all before she gets to the point of finding out roy boy considers her to be evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvNtgi9WIT4

[fabian]

No they are not..you are a liar..and anyone who cares for the truth can go to fhu.com and hear him directly. Some of those quotes are OBVIOUSLY not Roy.

[fabian]

I see...you cannot even deal with the content but continue to villify the messenger. Spoken like a true “christian”...yeah right...

[fabian]

Not at all..I love good debate. But what you guys are up to here is character assasination and miststing the truth....over and over again. Vile.

[daniel1212]

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If you really cared one iota about the real truth here you would take direct quotes only from the source. (· 546 )

The most wicked thing is to slander the good character of a person and try to have others believe the lie. (541)

Why don’t you be honest...you are not. (540)

Again, I have provided numbers after the actual quotes, versus my own comments (which were originally formatted as separate lines, with the second attempt missing a couple - again my bad), and provided the link where you can see the sources are those of Masters material, but which you all label as false because they are not seen as Masters own site.

However, not all Roy wants you to see is on his site, especially without paying, but we live in the age of the Internet, and so now you must accuse Google of lying as well, for all the referenced quotes in the below section come from Masters in “How Your Mind Can Keep You Well,” much of which is available for viewing online, and is searchable, as is done here, (http://books.google.com/books?id=lE5maGVa0NgC&printsec=frontcover#v=snippet&q=melted%20into%20the%20universe&f=false) and these are indeed there:

►The evidence of a Higher Presence in meditation is [manifested by] a change in breathing. 233 (p. 31)

►Cold shivers, occasional perspiration, and labored or heavy breathing reveal contact-response to a higher consciousness. It means something has been added that is causing changes to occur.234 (p. 40)

► Occasionally you will feel suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become "one" with all nature. . . . You will find yourself expressing wisdom and knowledge that you never outwardly learned or heard before.235 (p. 41)

►Sometimes you will hear, quite distinctly, words "spoken" to you in short phrases. Do not be alarmed.236 (p. 42)

And which online book provides more evidence on Masters occultic non-Christian craft (transcribed by me, but the page numbers are not shown in the online book, and so for some quotes only the heading is referenced.

►The meditation causes chemical changes within the body as poisons are expelled. You may experience a cold that lingers as poisonous substances are ejected. You may notice a change in bowel habits and other bodily functions.

►You will receive a mild feeling of stimulation, almost like that provided by a shot of brandy.

►At times you may feel as though you were wearing a tight skullcap on your head. You may feel your face tightening up as the lax muscles contract...(pp. 40-41)

►Each new stratum of consciousness is entered only when we have successfully traveled through the strata preceding it.

►While the monologue is explaining the idea here during the meditation, keep your mind concentrated on your hand regardless of whether you remember the presentation or not.

►Do not worry if your hand fails to rise during exercise, for the hand-raising is only a preliminary indication to measure the success of the concentration. Just a mild, tingling, prickly sensation in your hand is all that is needed.

►The meditation exercise leads you back to your inner self.

►Failure to do the exercise constitutes choosing the old ways again. (pp. 42-45.

►Simply have the awareness of the middle of your forehead, of your mind's eye. Just observe as though you were looking through the middle of your forehead, the place where thoughts arise, and then see if you can locate where your hand is rising up toward the middle of your forehead. See if you can draw your am up to at the middle of your forehead, energizing your am through being very aware of it.

►... It may begin to feel warm or detached, but just keep being aware of your hand and remain aware of it through the middle of your forehead. (II The meditation exercise)

►Bear in mind that the hand-raising feature of the meditation exercises is only a means to an end. The process of imagery is designed to inaugurate a chain reaction of responses touched off by conscious awareness. When your hand begins to rise, it is evidence of an energy value originating within you. But once you discover that by concentration through the middle of your forehead you can affect bodily responses, then imagery is no longer necessary. (The object of meditation)

As for the other referenced (numbered) quotes, Masters has not allowed them to be viewed or heard online, but they are referenced and the credibility of my source is already testified to by the prior substantiated quotes.

►One day, after discovering many things, the Spirit will lead you to read Scripture. At that time you will find joy on accepting the Witness to the Scriptures, rather than verses and chapters. What a contrast this is to accepting the Bible as the word of God: “ (How to Conquer Suffering Without Doctors, pp. 198-199)

►The whole process of growing is not from words but from realizing and then you can throw your Bible in the garbage can and there's no sin in that.137 (Roy Masters (tape), "The Mystery of Golgotha.")

►The Scriptures can poison you, and destroy you. They are lethal, they are deadly. They are more deadly than any drug.138 (Roy Masters, Tape No. 20, "The Sayings of Jesus--Right Tradition.")

And where Masters states that it is his “understanding” that is holy, not the Bible as a book, and which you can take into the toilet and use as any other paper (among other unholy statements), is in the debate available for free online. (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waltermartindotcom/2011/06/05/walter-martin-takes-on-roy-masters.mp3)

And also as regards dispensing with the Bible once you have “arrived” through Masters meditating, from an article on his own site Maters states,

Christianity, for a thousand years at least, ever since Christ passed away from the earth and left his ministry in the hands of mere men, has been busy sterilizing the meanings of scriptures instead of understanding the content of the words so fully that the words themselves can be forgotten. We should liken words to road maps. Once we have used a road map to go, say, to New York, we no longer need the road map once we arrive at our destination...It's the same with studying scripture.(http://www.fhu.com/articles/message1.html)

Considering the Bible does not teach Masters type of meditation as the means to attain truth and salvation, with concentration through the middle of your forehead, and feeling as though your hand is detached, or suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become "one" with all nature as you listen to Masters hypnotic monologue, with hand-raising meaning an energy value is originating within you, and some experiencing bowel movements or “cold shivers” as a result, while not doing the exercises every day constitutes choosing the old ways again.

It is not surprising therefore that Masters deplores chapter and verse type examination, as you will not find this type of meditation in Scripture, and which is closer to the occult!

And in the light of these quotes and more, my added comments such as “Under which you realize esoteric understanding independent of the Scripture, and then the Bible can mean whatever you think it means in confirming what you already concluded,” And afterward, having begun without the Scriptures, and with your own spirit being supreme,” are indeed warranted, while you are the one believing a false gospel and making false charges as well, and resorting to vindictively slandering the character of those who exposing the false doctrine of one who himself rejects the church and exalts himself. But may God yet grant you Scriptural repentance unto life thru the gospel of grace.

[Godzilla]

truth will not be found on fhu.org - only falsehoods and tales from the devil disguised as being religious.

[Godzilla]

I see...you cannot even deal with the content but continue to villify the messenger. Spoken like a true “christian”...yeah right...

Apparent that you didn't even listen to him call women evil - roy boy speaks like that and is not a 'true' Christian.

[Elsie]

More lies from you...so sad.

More unsupported accusations from you.

Can't you upgrade to a better(?) demon?

[daniel1212]

Fabian, you are the one who boasted,” I think you did not know who you were dealing with; I don’t just roll over and take what is dished out,..”

But when faced with Scriptural refutation your real recourse is to exalt your esoteric understanding and denigrate Biblical exegesis, and when Masters own words document his unScriptural, unChristian ethos and means then you resort to character assignation.

And which evidences the fruit of Masters meditation, and you attempts to defend him has resulted in increasing documentation of his errors. Thus what the devil meant for evil by promoting Masters, God worked for good. May you choose His side while you can.

Speaking the truth in love, as i wish for your salvation.

[daniel1212]

>I was thinking the same thing! I’ve been wondering why this thread just keeps on going on, repeating the same points and the same counter points, why we are compelled to reply to each insult and false accusation and then I realized that the longer it stays here getting replies, the more people can learn about the nefarious and evil teachings of a man who is convinced HE is the true savior of the world<

True. Thanks be to God.

[Elsie]

O, I see...so you don’t see anything wrong with taking man’s words and mixing them up, adding other things to make him sound like a nut? Because that is exactly what was done here with Roy.

O, we see...so RFoy doesn’t see anything wrong with taking biblical words and mixing them up with his, adding other things to make him sound like he actually knows something? Because that is exactly what was done here by Roy.

[Elsie]

I love good debate.

Then you really should try it sometime!

It involves actually PROVING what you are talking about instead of just accusing others of LYING.

We'll wait...

[Elsie]

It appears that Bucky may be a Masters' disicple:

[Elsie]

[Elsie]

...I realized that the longer it stays here getting replies, the more people can learn about the nefarious and evil teachings of a man who is convinced HE is the true savior of the world.

So MANY saviors!

How to pick a good one is SO hard!!!

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

[fabian]

Oh brother....no comment on Roy’s youtube? People of reason can clearly see. It and he are not what you guys have put forth.