Posted on 09/13/2012 10:10:32 AM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs
He calls himself a religious leader, a “preacher,” this Terry Jones, the man responsible for blaspheming the prophet Mohammed... with Israeli intelligence and the P2 Masonic lodge, better known as “Operation Gladio,” the group responsible for the murder of Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro and terror bombings that went on into the 90s... Jones is a spy, CIA trained, run by rogue handlers, and heavily promoted by Mossad elements throughout the Middle East and able to garner national news attention in the US when anyone else of his minor following and total lack of credibility would be ignored... German built submarines armed with Russian built nuclear weapons patrol of Iran as we speak, their Israeli crews ready to start World War III... Inside the US, rogue elements of Bush era intelligence privatization, initially under Blackwater Corporation and its various successors, still actively run agents, manage narcotics processing and distribution and intimidate world leaders through threats against their families... You see, in order to start a war, Mitt Romney must be elected president. However, Romney belongs to a religious group most Christians find to be a heretical cult... These are the beliefs of the Mormon Church, the beliefs Mitt Romney accepted and taught:
“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be” (Book of Mormon10:110; Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Church)
“Had I anything to do with the Negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 270; History of the Church, 5: p.332).
“From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it is has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel.” (Joseph the First)
I don’t believe Sherman ever said any such thing. I’ve read several biographies, and he expressed his personal regret that civilians had to suffer as a result of his army’s actions, however much he considered those actions necessary to bring the war to an end. He stated that when the war was over he would share his last cracker with the former enemy.
In May 1865 Sherman wrote, in a private letter, “I confess, without shame, I am sick and tired of fighting—its glory is all moonshine; even success the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families, appealing to me for sons, husbands and fathers ... tis only those who have never heard a shot, never heard the shriek and groans of the wounded and lacerated ... that cry aloud for more blood, more vengeance, more desolation.
This does not sound like someone unconcerned about civilian casualties or suffering.
I am skeptical Churchill said this. He was known to be less than comfortable with Bomber Harris and his intentional targeting of German civilians. Like Sherman, he considered it necessary, but did not consider those civilians legitimate targets in the same way soldiers were.
That said, I think you can make a very good case that citizens of a democracy are more legitimate as targets than subjects of an authoritarian or totalitarian state. In the CSA the suffering civilians Sherman targeted were in control of the government he fought. The government was doing their bidding. At one remove, they had initiated the war or at least insisted it continue.
In Nazi Germany, while they may have supported it, the civilians did not control the government.
This means Americans on 9/11 were legitimate military targets.
Or is it only our side that has innocent civilians?
You got it, Sherm.
They’re the enemy.
To Hades with them...ALL of them.
My concern is for Americans and America ONLY, I could give a sh*t about the rest of the effing world....especially the islamic vermin that infests the Middle East.
Kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out.
Nonsense.
He gets national news attention because the media loves to portray the idiot as representative of right wing teabagging conservatives.
Should help Romney that Iran’s in the tank for Obama. But then, this whole article stinks of BS....
So you don’t object to the 9/11 attacks, other than that they were against “your side?”
Terrorism is a perfectly legitimate military and political tactic?
Most Americans like to think of ourselves as “the good guys,” precisely because we don’t intentionally kill innocent people, particularly women and children.
Following your approach, we’re no longer the good guys, just the powerful guys (at the moment). Makes us no better than Nazis or Communists.
No thanks.
I wish they were that smart and connected.....Iran and the rest of the sand pounding muzzies can go suck on a stick of tnt as far as I am concerned. i am sooooo tired of the US apologizing for being the greatest nation on earth......Our freedoms are more important than your offhandedness so cry me a river already.
Clean up your own houses before you decide to dump in mine
Might makes right, and what’s the use of being the biggest badass on the block if you don’t prove it every so often?
No, terrorism is not legitimate, but in a war all is fair.
And Sir Arthur Harris is one of my heroes, along with LeMay.
Both of them had no compunction deliberately targetting civilians.
BTW, Churchill once said “If you asked a Londoner if we should stop our bombing of enemy cities he would say NO, we must give them back the measure, and more than the measure of what they have meted out to us.”
Devout Muslims are, by definition, always at war with the rest of the world.
So do you consider their attack on American civilians on 9/11 legitimate? If not, on what basis do you condemn it?
Might does NOT make right, or Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were in the right.
Just look at the culture...in islam what is there not insult worthy. It is a truly disgusting religion whose values reek of evil....yep, let us value murder, slavery, no rites for women, child brides, beating women, multiple wives, incest, rape, honor killings....what am I leaving out of this lovely islamic value list that is just off the top of my head?
The view that there are no innocent civilians has more in common with Jihadi Islam than with Western Civilization.
A lack of morally relevant discrimination between an aggressor and a non-aggressor is acceptable, even applauded --- in al-Zawahiri's madrassas. But it is condemned by the Judeo-Christian world, in an Aristotelian framework of reason and virtue, and in the principles of Natural Law which are the foundation of the American republic.
You can't prevail over Islamist fanaticism in this way. You've already accepted the single most loathsome thing in their philosophy. You may see yourself as the most staunch opponent of nation's enemies, but you deceive yourself? In your heart -- from which your morality proceeds --- you and the Enemy are in profound agreement.
God help you.
Absolutely.
I would also like to point out that Mohammed imposed requirements on who was subject to be intentionally killed in war. His standards were far below those, in theory, of today’s international law, but well above those routinely accepted in his day.
Mohammed would, again in theory, have been opposed to much of the practice of today’s Muslim terrorists. But it’s a complicated issue, with varying opinions reminiscent of the Talmud in their complexity.
Here’s a good discussion of sharia’s attitude towards “non-combatants.”
http://www.currenttrends.org/docLib/20061226_NoncombatantsFinal.pdf
I have a suggestion for the “kill ‘em all” guys.
Let’s gather up 25 little Muslim girls. Here’s a knife. You get to personally cut their throats.
Are you willing to proceed?
If not, you’re just a blowhard. Or you want others to commit the murders you aren’t willing to commit yourself.
If you are willing to kill those little girls, then you’re an evil person and unworthy to be called an American. Or a man, IMO.
This is the line of thinking is what you read on leftist websites and youtube in comments. It’s Muslim and they are active on the net trying to coral the lefties/mush brains.
My understanding is that Islam lacks a concept of inherent human rights per se. They believe (I am told) that Allah created the world for the Umma, the Muslim people. Therefore anyone who is not Muslim is, in a sense, an interloper and a thief: someone who is occupying the ground he stands on without right, breathing air he has no right to breathe. Muslims may rightly decide to give this interloper the choice of becoming either a Muslim or a corpse.
They may also decide to permit such a person's continued existence, but only if his continued existence benefits the Umma. This justifies the toleration of the dhimmi: because they pay the jizya.
Like so much of Islam this --- if it is truly what they believe --- is a perverted form of what Christianity teaches. We believe that the whole world was created for Christ. (Col. 1:16 "All things were created through Him, all things were created for Him.")
(Don't know what your religion is, but let me think this out on paper here. I mean, in electrons :o)
To us that does not mean that the world was created only for Christians, or that only Christians have a right to life. It means... let's see if I can say this succinctly ... that the human race was created with Christ in view, so to speak.
In our origin: the image and likeness of God. In our nature: able to think and to choose. In our capacities: to be God's viceroys so to speak "Have dominion over the fish in the sea and over the birds in the air and over all living things that move upon the earth." (Gen 1:28) In our final end, which is to be with God in Christ.
Therefore it is the human race which has an inherent dignity, not just the Umma.
All muslims intend harm. It’s in the koran.
Christians are supposed to love their enemies. It's in the New Testament. Similarly, most of us don't live "up" to that.
Then they are not muslims. The koran is absolute, being the word of god verbatim.
You may have non-absolute muslims, but they’re not really muslms.
Let’s just drop this sanctimonious bs and say what it is: a genocidal animist cult that will wipe out humanity, or go the way of the dinosaurs.
Bullcrap.
If they work in a factory that supports the government, they’re a legitimate target.
If they drive a bus full of workers to government offices, they’re a legitimate target.
If they pump gas into those buses, they’re a legitimate target.
If they work at the refinery that makes the gasoline, they’re a legitimate target.
If they kiss the guy who works at that refinery when he comes home at night, they’re a legitimate target.
If they sell groceries to tho bus drivers and workers, they’re a legitimate target.
Got it you silly woman? Morons like you are going to get tens of thousands of Americans killed.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.