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VANITY: Calling all investors - Where to invest from now until the election?

Posted on 09/04/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by AdamBomb

Okay, with the presidential race virtually tied and the contrasts between the two being so significant, what is the best investing strategy between now and the election?

1) All Cash 2) Bonds but no stocks 3) Stocks and Bonds 4) ?????

Obviously, if Romney looks like he is gonna win, then I'd go long on stocks and the market. If zero wins, I don't know what to do.


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To: AdamBomb

Coal


21 posted on 09/04/2012 9:49:48 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: AdamBomb

VIPSX. This is a Vanguard fund for when SHTF.


22 posted on 09/04/2012 9:50:41 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: oh8eleven
very reputable companies, like Chrysler or General Motors?

You've got a point there! Today's star companies often turn out to be tomorrow's dogs. That's why I'll stuck with stock funds, and not with individual stocks. The risk is spread out more then.

And I like to see big oil companies on the holdings list of the funds I'm looking at.

23 posted on 09/04/2012 9:56:55 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: aimhigh
VIPSX. This is a Vanguard fund for when SHTF.
Yes - or VWINX.
24 posted on 09/04/2012 9:59:28 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb
Big bonds and a high currency for a country that's not producing enough is being seen by the world as a fraud. It's only a matter of how soon the avalanche of selling will come.

With the Democrats in the Executive, socialism will continue to favor interests getting their money from the federal government. With Republicans in the Executive, socialism will resume trying to cut federal income interests a little and divert more money to local governments to keep more regulatory eyes, ears and other pressures on the peasants (what little remains of the true private sector).

Most who have incomes sufficient to afford time and contributions for politics get their incomes either directly or indirectly from government.

Some of the most favored client investors are buying (cash) agricultural properties.

America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts

The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843575/posts

Are you a member of the political class?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/are_you_a_member_of_the_politi.html

The social paradigm: romanticism, feminism, political correctness, whatever, may have been a long, wrong turn--especially the effort to generally depose America's men and fathers begun a few decades ago by putting them out of work, out of families and out of politics.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. We earned it.


25 posted on 09/04/2012 10:03:37 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Leaning Right
That's why I'll stuck with stock funds
How'd that work out for 'ya, oh ... the last 5 years? Break even yet?


26 posted on 09/04/2012 10:05:06 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb

Corrected for inflation, the DJIA is worth 50% OF the high just 5 years ago.

Silver and gold look good for the next 12 months, followed by lead, brass and blue steel.


27 posted on 09/04/2012 10:11:07 AM PDT by wrench
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To: oh8eleven
Break even yet?

My point is that I'm sticking with stock funds, for the stock potion of my investments. And since I sold most of my stocks back in '08, I have a VERY small stock portion. So the goofy market hasn't hurt me much.

Of course, if Romney wins and the DOW soars to 20,000, I'll be left out in the cold. But I'm okay with that.

28 posted on 09/04/2012 10:16:16 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: oh8eleven
"VWINX"

thanks for the tip. I like it.
29 posted on 09/04/2012 10:18:02 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: AdamBomb

Invest in firearms and precious metals (Lead based ammunition) You will need them for the zombie apocalypse or coming civil war.


30 posted on 09/04/2012 10:21:08 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: Leaning Right
My point is that I'm sticking with stock funds ...
My point is - the stock market is a scam. The sooner you figure that out, the better off you'll be.
31 posted on 09/04/2012 10:23:17 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AdamBomb

If Obama wins, go for commodities. Not that we are really running short on Planet Earth, but Obama and the enviro-nazis will cause shortages through political means and for political purposes.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 10:28:21 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Democrats - The Communist/Satanic/Pervert/Treason Party)
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To: AdamBomb
Excellent info here --> Morningstar - Vanguard Funds Discussion
33 posted on 09/04/2012 10:29:29 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
My point is - the stock market is a scam

Yep, it really is. In fact, the best way to describe the stock market is that it is a kind of Ponzi scheme. As I'm sure you'll agree, people by stocks for one reason only: to sell them later, at a higher price, to some other fool.

But the market is usually a slow-motion Ponzi scheme. If you buy into a declining market (not into a red-hot one), and wait, you can make some very good money.

So IMHO, the market is not something to be avoided at all costs. Approach it like the scam it is, be very conservative, and understand it's a roll of the dice.

34 posted on 09/04/2012 10:35:00 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right
"My point is - the stock market is a scam"

I think what he is saying is that stocks in general are bad news for the vast majority of investors. The fund he recommended is great for people like me who don't have hours on end to keep up with this stuff. The fund just kicks ass year after year with minimal downside (at least to this point)
35 posted on 09/04/2012 10:41:28 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Dr. Thorne
"If Obama wins, go for commodities."

...not bad advice.
36 posted on 09/04/2012 10:42:44 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: AdamBomb

Preppers sites/outlets/organizations.


37 posted on 09/04/2012 10:44:29 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: AdamBomb
The fund just kicks ass year after year with minimal downside

I too am a fan of VWINX. In fact, if I could only own one mutual fund, that would be the one. That would be especially true if the fund were in a tax-sheltered account.

But be aware that VWINX holdings are about 60% bonds, mainly intermediate bonds. When interest rates decline, those bonds appreciate and the fund makes good money. That's been the case in the last 5 years.

But if interest rates rise, and especially if they rise rapidly, this fund will take a real hit.

I'm not arguing against this fund! VWINX gives you more return than a money market fund or a CD would, but there is more risk, and you should know that.

If the risk bothers you, consider dollar cost averaging into the fund: instead of putting all your money in at once, send Vanguard a smaller amount each month.

38 posted on 09/04/2012 11:15:08 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: AdamBomb

The timetable needs to be modified.

1) Assuming Obama loses and the Democrats lose control of congress, the lame ducks intend to sabotage the economy any way they can. While only Obama can act unilaterally by executive order, the Democrat senate will refuse to act to stop a whole bunch of essential from taking place.

2) This means that while there might be an immediate reaction to the election, it will be minor compared to the potential earthquakes in January.

Therefore the best course of action right now:

1) Insure that you have mattress money in a safe place at home. Money in the bank can no longer be considered safe.

2) If you have any major medical anything, get it done before the end of the year.

3) If you have potential capital gains or income that can be taken before the end of the year, do so.

4) The wild card is Europe, which could fall apart with very little notice, and no matter what happens in the US, they could at least partially drag us down with them.

On the plus side, after the Republicans take office in January, there will be a “great stabilization” of the economy.


39 posted on 09/04/2012 11:29:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: AdamBomb

You said “until the election” but also said “long.” For very long, you might try something connected to a useful commodities in an energy-exporting country. Granted, I’m not qualified to give such advice to anyone. ;-)


40 posted on 09/04/2012 12:01:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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