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One, it's a survey of tens of thousands of people, the vast majority of whom can't be classified as Apple "fanatics."

A survey, which queries Apple owners, is about how those APPLE owners feel about their Apple stuff. It's not about how those Apple customers feel about other people's PC/Windows stuff. Though the survey might have included "thousands of people", most of those people were not Apple customers, and the Apple customers could only respond about how they feel about "their" Apple computers. The Apple fanatics, which most Apple customers are, will always grade Apple stuff as if it were coming from a god.

And, the debate is always about the Apple fanatics, since, someone who is a new customer cannot be accused of being one. But, fanatics refers to those who can be counted on by Apple to be repeat customers for life, whether Apple puts out a good computer or put out a crappy product. There is no circular reasoning in that, since, the fanatic and delusional base is already established.

When Apple allows its customers to uninstall OSX and install Windows in its place, without invalidating any warranties, that's when OSX will meet its demise, since, Windows 7, and now Windows 8, are vastly superior products to any Apple OS, and much more useful with the millions of applications available for Windows.

You danced around my "roads" analogy, but came up short. My analogy still stands, and Apple computers are still limited in the number of applications available to the platform. But, following up with the car/roads analogy, the "Apple car" can't be brought to the shop down the road, since, it's gotta be an Apple shop or be sent to Apple service center for repair. PCs can be serviced by any shop down the road, and millions of shops around the world. Which, again, makes Macs a lot more expensive and not easily serviceable.

So, your friend recently spent more on a Mac? Yeah, and my whole neighborhood recently spend a lot less on their PCs, because they all felt that, it was stupid to spend more on a Mac which wasn't really going to do more for them than a standard PC. I would believe my story more than yours, since, it's happening a lot more often that that story about "your friend".

So, which platform still has the most developers in the world? You didn't answer it and being cute about it by bringing up Windows Mobile isn't going to get you off the hook. I gave the other guy a chance, and you took on the question, but, you still came up with the WRONG ANSWER.

No need to try again to answer the question, because, you'll just be dancing around the question and refuse to admit the true answer.

Keep up your fanaticism. Apple needs people like you, otherwise, they'd become the latest Palm.

A survey, which queries Apple owners, is about how those APPLE owners feel about their Apple stuff. It's not about how those Apple customers feel about other people's PC/Windows stuff.

Actually, it's a survey of how you like any of your stuff. If I got the survey, I'd be filling it out for my iPods, iPad and Macs, and for my Androids and PCs.

The Apple fanatics, which most Apple customers are, will always grade Apple stuff as if it were coming from a god.

Apple has sold over half a billion devices in under ten years. You are telling me there are several hundred million Apple "fanatics" out there who will give a positive review regardless? BS. Most people buy Apple stuff as they buy any other electronics, because it's what they like the best that fits their wants.

There is no circular reasoning in that, since, the fanatic and delusional base is already established.

Long ago, the die-hard fanbase may have been a decent portion of Apple sales, but no more. Did you know the original iMac was the best-selling computer when it came out? Almost none of those buyers had Macs previously. It is circular reasoning because you will define anybody who likes Apple products as a fanatic. You below label me as a fanatic, yet I've written many complaints against Apple and their products right here on FR, even in this very thread. Remember me saying the Mac Pro isn't worth buying? Yet still, since I like most Apple products, you must label me a fanatic. Nobody can actually like the company's products on their merits. Any facts otherwise must be explained away.

When Apple allows its customers to uninstall OSX and install Windows in its place, without invalidating any warranties, that's when OSX will meet its demise, since, Windows 7, and now Windows 8, are vastly superior products to any Apple OS

I've been using Windows 7 since it was in pre-release (love that MSDN subscription). I can say that if it had been out in 2007 I probably would not have switched from PC to Mac as my main home system. But I did. Windows 7 is still a good OS, but it is not superior to OS X. That's why I haven't switched back. Windows 8 isn't out yet, but the developer preview and onward looked okay as long as you ditch that Metro junk. Overall, a good dot update to Windows 7 (actually, it's a dot update to Vista, NT 6.2).

You danced around my "roads" analogy, but came up short. My analogy still stands, and Apple computers are still limited in the number of applications available to the platform.

So is Windows. Depending on your needs, you will find a whole pool of apps that are cross platform or that do the same thing on the other platform. The only place you'll ever be stuck is on a SPECIFIC app you must use for whatever reason. Those poor guys on Windows can't use Final Cut Pro, professional-quality video editing for a relatively low price compared to the Windows competition. But they do have Avid and Premiere (which used to be on the Mac until Adobe realized it couldn't compete with FCP).

PCs can be serviced by any shop down the road, and millions of shops around the world.

If you bought an OEM PC, you also can't take it to the unauthorized shop down the road. I put a bigger hard drive in my Mac when it failed. By what magic didst I accomplish that feat?! Before you go off on Mac reliability, I've had numerous PC hard drives fail on me over the years, all the way back to the MFM ones.

I would believe my story more than yours, since, it's happening a lot more often that that story about "your friend".

Macs sales have been growing faster than PC sales for many years running. Too bad. People just like high-quality stuff. Some people look at the plastic crap at Best Buy and say "no way." Many PC OEMs play in the $1,000+ PC market, and have some good offerings, but Apple owns it.

So, which platform still has the most developers in the world? You didn't answer it and being cute about it by bringing up Windows Mobile isn't going to get you off the hook.

Windows, of course. Remember, I'm one of them. On this very thread I'm debating the merits of VB vs C# to interact with Excel to produce custom solutions, and I'm supposed to be a Mac fanatic? A Mac fanatic touting the usefulness of Microsoft's more modern language? So much for that "fanatic" label you keep trying to stick on me.

Well I see this thread has received some new life, largely due to the continued high-volume, clueless trolling by adorno. I hate to do this, but since it’s new ground, as well as easy pickings...

“When Apple allows its customers to uninstall OSX and install Windows in its place, without invalidating any warranties, that’s when OSX will meet its demise, since, Windows 7, and now Windows 8, are vastly superior products to any Apple OS, and much more useful with the millions of applications available for Windows.”

Apple has “allowed” this for years. You should look into “Boot Camp”. And of course the “demise” of MacOS is nowhere in sight, instead it is growing in popularity rather rapidly. Given that something like 90% of the code base is the same between MacOS and iOS, it has a long, healthy future ahead.

The fact is that few opt for Windows instead of MacOS, because most find MacOS to work better, to be more enjoyable, and to involve fewer problems. There is also the added bonus of the excellent bundled apps, including a solid backup program - something Windows 8 is rumored to include whenever it finally ships.

At any rate, I hope you find something more productive to do than what you’ve been doing on this thread - although given this lengthy display of ignorance perhaps it’s not surprising that you have a lot of time on your hands.

Adorno? Apple allows you to do that now... In fact, Apple will do it FOR YOU... no problem, no voiding of your warranties. Apple will even sell you the Microsoft Windows version you want. They just will not warranty your Windows install... Microsoft will have to do that.

You, my friend have no clue as to whether OSX is or is not inferior to Windows 7 or 8... You have never used it. It can run BOTH of those OSes in a sandboxed partition within it, and never bobble. You cannot say the reverse. That would suggest that the UNIX™ underlying OSX, which has undergone 45 years of trial by fire, far longer than either of those upstart OSes, is superior.

As to dancing, I have told you that the Apple Mac can run FAR more software than can your Windows machine... that is a fact. So you are again wrong.