Posted on 07/04/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed You’ve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS—WHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS “REALLY REAL?” APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BE—APPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.
1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex person—like many of us.
2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .
3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .
4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).
5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.
6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of things—EXCEPT THAT—you HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandate—which you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.
7. As I’ve often said—it’s fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your life—GREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.
7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . here’s some comments I posted earlier:
7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.
7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.
7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.
7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.
7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?
7.6.1 Just who is the guest of whom?
7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.
7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to them—sometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.
7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?
And even that wouldn’t be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVE—AS IN “REPUBLIC”!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.
8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbidden—and mocked as absurdly untrue.
9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.
10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I don’t know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, there’s been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership team—too often—seemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.
11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. That’s been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. There’s no excuse for that. None. There’s dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do that—SOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.
12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really was—largely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.
13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.
14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FR’s priorities. Sometimes you have followed through—such as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privately—which would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?
15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In short—mean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . .” I don’t know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know you’re on slippery ground on that score.
16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyone—even the king of FR. It doesn’t matter if one nurses one’s own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes one’s country; or one’s own press releases; or one’s FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.
17. I’ve agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashion—or to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to one’s arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.
18. I don’t know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection process—if we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.
19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of y’all’s junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment day—unless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before then—and even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christ’s blood—it will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.
20. Yet again, as all of us every day—have a choice. You can continue as is most likely—as you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. It’s more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.
21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anything—particularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their words—and it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.
22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I don’t know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I don’t think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I don’t’ know if HumbleGunner’s place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.
22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether I’d like to return to FR. (A) I don’t feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with “fruit” as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before you’d humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I don’t feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.
22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as I’d want done toward me IF I’d demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. I’d want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.
23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.
24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.
« Last Edit: Today at 12:43:06 PM by Quix »
Pot. Kettle. Black. The high road you perceive yourself to be upon is just a figment of your imagination.
I don't think this makes sense.
It is a plain fact that there are certain individuals who want Romney to lose in November and who are posting here in a campaign to bring this about.
A subset of the people doing this have openly admitted to it. I have not objected to these folks who think it better for America if Obama is re-elected and who openly say so. I disagree with them, but that is just a difference of opinion.
Other people campaigning for Romney's defeat have not stated openly that they are doing so, and in some cases I have pointed out that this is what I think they are doing. There is nothing dishonest or unreasonable about my doing this, it is just me openly stating my opinion.
And then there is the whole separate issue of those posting unreasonable and dishonest things against Romney and against those who want him to win in November, whatever outcome to the election these posters prefer. I think this is wrong and bad for conservatism and have said so openly. Again, there is nothing dishonest or unreasonable about my doing this.
I have one now pinging me to threads under the mistaken belief that all the evils of one liberal will shame me into voting for another. He’s up to 3 today. He keeps a running count too ;)
Too bad too since he was once an actual conservative in the Reagan mold, not self deluded the Rogue Yam mold.
Apparently we are supposed to feel bad about standing for what’s right.
Mr. President. It’s a stretch you can handle. I’ll see to it along with at least two members of your family...LOL.
Once to Every Man and Nation is the hymn version. Great words. Great words.
No it doesn't. I am as sure as one can be that Obama will take stands on just about every issue that are the polar opposite of mine. I suspect I'll agree with Romney about 50% of the time, and oppose him about 50% of the time. To the extent Romney turns out to be worse that that, I'm not worse off than I'd have been if Obama got elected. At the very least, Romney believes in capitalism. Obama doesn't.
People, PLEASE consider the ultimate good sense of voting for a plurality; Obama is held in such low regard now that there is virtually zero chance he could get anything but a plurality in the best of circumstances -- much of his support has evaporated over the past four years.
Plurality? I assume you mean in the popular vote, because the electoral college is going to have a majority for one or the other.
If every single Freeper voted 3rd party, that's what, 60,000 or so votes? Millions vote third party in every election, so the "statement" being made by an additional 60,000 votes is meaningless. Nobody will care.
In any case, Bubba was elected with a plurality, and it didn't seem to phase him. Bush actually lost the popular vote to Gore, and that didn't seem to phase him in terms of governing either. This dramatic gesture you envision would be completely inconsequential, because nobody is going to care about the popular vote anyway. And certainly not the 60,000 votes of Freepers that aren't relevant to who wins in the electoral college.
Trish: Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.
You, Trisham, are RIGHT. Completely and utterly RIGHT.
Wolf, people are responsible for their own "pissed-off" -ness. Saying otherwise is like the guy who goes postal and shoots folks, blaming them because they pissed him off.
Just wow.
Third answer. "The dog ate my homework and somebody stolded mah name."
Every forum I have signed up for required an email address for membership. Instead of spending time on FR making accusations the site owner at TBL could very easily check out the email addy on file, or as they do here, check the IP on the posts. But I'll bet that won't happen.
The "name-stealing figment" is just the lame excuse for getting caught in a slur of JR.
Of course not. You are on the high road. And your sh** don't stink, either.
I read some of your recent posts. You fling the poo right at the fan.
But when confronted with your own posting history, you say, who, me? My intentions are pure.
You are making no sense.
I never said that my posts are completely beyond reproach.
In fact I said precisely the opposite of this in the very text you excerpted.
You have failed utterly to maintain the plot here.
Which is exactly why FR and in fact the entire conservative movement has the situation it does right now. Liars within causing chaos.
Look at the entire primary season. Same thing over and over. People lying through their teeth to defend the documented and unarguable ‘sins’ of their chosen candidates. No good ever comes from it.
“I am not saying that my every one of my thousands of posts here has been completely beyond reproach, but in very large measure I have posted substantively, intelligently, rationally, and honestly. Anyone who impugns my moral character based on what I have posted on FR is speaking untruth.” ******************************
No kidding?
To: Tennessee Nana
You are a deranged hater.
All the rest is lies.
66 posted on June 29, 2012 11:20:34 AM EDT by rogue yam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2900870/posts?page=66#66
To: CatherineofAragon
You are a deranged liar.
That is the explanation you seek.
86 posted on June 29, 2012 11:54:49 AM EDT by rogue yam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2900870/posts?page=86#86
To: no-to-illegals
“Would like to nominate this Man or someone who was one of his Generals during the time of Desert Storm”
Are you attempting to derail the thread because you hate America?
59 posted on June 29, 2012 11:08:02 AM EDT by rogue yam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2900870/posts?page=59#59
To: Diogenesis; napscoordinator
You and napscoordinator are both psychotic liars.
You both want Obama re-elected.
A person would have to be insane (or a leftist) to respect either one of you.
62 posted on June 29, 2012 11:14:19 AM EDT by rogue yam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2900870/posts?page=62#62
To: VanDeKoik
This place has become an Obama campaign website and it is by design.
The exact form of the design is not readily apparent, but the agenda here is defeating the GOP nominee.
That is what Free Republic now is.
24 posted on July 4, 2012 10:53:01 AM EDT by rogue yam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2902719/posts?page=24#24
Which is exactly why FR and in fact the entire conservative movement has the situation it does right now. Liars within causing chaos.
Look at the entire primary season. Same thing over and over. People lying through their teeth to defend the documented and unarguable ‘sins’ of their chosen candidates. No good ever comes from it.
LOL, are you serious?
True. I expect it will be Romney.
Neither Obama, Hillary, Carville, Palin, Gingrich, Rouge Yam are candidates yet.
If nominated I will not run, etc.
The GOP has been swinging left for some time, it is NOT becoming more conservative.
You and I disagree on this point. Look at all the conservative young up-and-coming GOP stars: Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Allen West, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, etc. It is not just that we have new, young conservatives in office. These folks are becoming the new identity of the GOP. I say we help them and send them reinforcements.
The GOP had it 's chance with the Tea Party, and they did all they could to destroy it and the Conservative Movement
Yes, there is entrenched corruption in the GOP. As I said above, I believe some amount of entrenched corruption will exist in any political party. I propose that we expose, oppose, and remove the corrupt elements from within the GOP whenever possible. But I do not support abandoning the GOP to the crooks and RINOs.
What is your proposal?
Perhaps even more than you think. For the last several weeks, I've been methodically compiling a list of FReepers who have stated, and in a few cases implied so strongly that it is near enough, that they (like Jim Robinson and you and me) refuse to vote for Romney, that he's a bridge too far.
So for weeks now, when see a post where it looks like that person may be one of us, I go in forum and scan his posts for going back a few pages. A large number of them are marvelously eloquent and accurate and passionate in describing all the pitfalls and evil and betrayal of Romney ... and then somewhere they'll say, "But I'm going to hold my nose and vote for him anyway."
I see it so often that it's become abundantly clear that ABO via Romney is purely deranged, so much so that folks succumbing to it are not aware of their own abandon. It is the biggest red flag among many red flags that Romney, regardless of Obama, is a very, very bad thing for everyone.
I started the list because I wanted to satisfy my own curiosity, to see how many FReepers, like me, stood with Jim Robinson. I figured we'd be a sad but brave minority among FReepers, maybe numbering 60. My list is now at 168, very nearly exceeding threefold my expectations.
No, he never talked like the 9/11 Truthers. What Quix was about, was connecting the “political” to the “Biblical” and that would be in terms of Bible Prophecy (and from an Evangelical and perhaps “Dispensational” theology).
That’s where there is a huge one-world government that is basically satanically-run and has complete control and sway over the world (in terms of “world-government”) and is finally defeated, in the end, at the coming of Jesus Christ, who sets up his own rule and government over the world - in place of the previous satanically run government - and there is a 1,000 year reign of Christ on this world.
And this “rule and reign” of Jesus Christ - is not something in a “figurative sense” - but is physical and real - just like you see Obama in the President’s office or you saw Bush or any other President. Jesus will actually rule from the city of Jerusalem (that’s the one in Israel right now - that we’re talking about). It will be a real government - just like governments are today and have real laws and people will live real lives and have children and build houses and have work to do ... and so on.
That’s where Quix would be coming from - and MIND YOU - this is part of the legitimate WORLD-VIEW of a huge and overwhelmingly large number of Christians in the USA (and they’re also in the world at large, too).
SO ... we’re not really talking about some kind of “whacko” here ... as this IS A THEOLOGICAL POSITION that carries over into the “political realm” of world governments and politics. And Quix was always talking about that.
Not much of one for logic and persuasion, are you?
In THAT case, please inform the MittBots who are blasting those of us who are sticking by our principles and refusing to be bullied into voting for Romney, that they can now SHUT UP because "we aren't relevant".
Made plenty of sense, just not to you. If not every one of your posts was completely beyond reproach, then thousands of your others were completely beyond reproach, you suggest.
I’ve read enough of the FR posts by “rogue yam” in the past and enough by the “rogue yam” who is posting on this thread today to know many of the claims of innocence are false. I think both of you are lying about who and what you are.
You’re a slippery FR poster and are acting like a silly person today. Does that make sense to you now?
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