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OK is there ANY "Silver Lining" to today's ruling?
28 June 2012 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:40 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

SOMEBODY give us SOME hope!


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To: Dysart

“Congress cannot be the sole judge of the scope of its own powers. Today a majority of the Roberts Court reaffirmed this vision.”

The very fact that SCOTUS reviewed the law at all told us that. So did a million previous decisions. That’s what judicial review is all about. We’ve known since Marbury v. Madison at least that Congress isn’t its own judge.

This is drinking piss and calling it lemonade.


161 posted on 06/28/2012 12:40:28 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
I agree - and the Constitutionality of the tax/penalty will be challenged if the legislation survives long enough for someone to pay the tax/penalty and then have standing to challenge it.

The government didn't order me to buy a house - but they sure as hell assess a tax ‘penalty’ for not doing so. The government didn't order me to marry my fiance - but there is a significant tax ‘penalty’ for doing so as long as she continues to work.

I think this health insurance thing is the reducto ad absurdum of this exercise of government power - that or ordering you to buy a pound of broccoli per month or be assessed a tax / fine - and hopefully people will see it for what it is and insist that they cut it out!

Much like Kelo vs New London sparked a lot of laws protecting property rights - sometimes it takes a blatant and ugly over-reach before people get mad enough to SMACK that hand!

I hope November (and after) is a display of this sentiment.

162 posted on 06/28/2012 12:41:08 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: US Navy Vet

How’s this, maybe this capricious ruling by a rogue SCOTUS will force the necessary small percentage of citizens to resist this tyranny NO MATTER WHAT THE COST!!!!


163 posted on 06/28/2012 12:44:29 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: US Navy Vet

bttt


164 posted on 06/28/2012 12:45:32 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

165 posted on 06/28/2012 12:47:00 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: NotTallTex
Roberts has just parsed the language and created something that didn’t exist: a tax.

NOT!

The arguments were presented to SCOTUS as follows:
1 - find for it under the commerce clause - DISAGREED
2 - find for it under the necessary and proper clause - DISAGREED
3 - find for it as a tax - AGREED

Read Roberts opinion:

"The Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax."

166 posted on 06/28/2012 12:51:47 PM PDT by tentmaker (vote for John Galt)
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To: MuttTheHoople
"Governor Romney has already said his first order of business as President will be to repeal Obamacare."

Was that said with a "read my lips" kind of gusto?

167 posted on 06/28/2012 12:57:27 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: tentmaker

“’Roberts has just parsed the language and created something that didn’t exist: a tax.’

‘NOT!

The arguments were presented to SCOTUS as follows:
...3 - find for it as a tax - AGREED’”

Just because it was argued before the court to be a tax does not mean it was one. The law as written clearly makes it a penalty. From the time it was proposed to this morning Dems denied it was a tax. It is not a tax.


168 posted on 06/28/2012 1:02:39 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Just because it was argued before the court to be a tax does not mean it was one. The law as written clearly makes it a penalty. From the time it was proposed to this morning Dems denied it was a tax. It is not a tax.

I agree. They needed it to be a penalty to pass the Congress, so it was a penalty. They needed it to be a tax to pass the courts, so it became a tax. They need it to NOT be a tax to get reelected. Rest assured, the commies and MSM will be in full-scale "it's not really a tax" mode by tomorrow at the latest.

Damage control will begin no later than Sunday morning as they begin to spin this back into a penalty. They will mention that the term "tax" here was only applied in a very technical, legal sense, but that in a practical sense, there is no such tax. And many will buy into it and actively promote it.

In short, to advance communism, it is whatever they want it to be, whenever they want it to be.
169 posted on 06/28/2012 1:12:53 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: RckyRaCoCo

Is there not a silver lining in all of this? As Justice Roberts so elloquently stated, “The individual mandate is a tax.” This is something Obama and his legion of lawyers argued against from the very beginning...I suspect for good reason. If the court had ruled that Obamacare was constitutional as something other than a tax...then there would have been no way out of this,except by repeal with a republican president. While I am not a fan of the current condition of the supreme court, I suspect I have no other option than to look on the bright side of things....while I prep for our impending doom. I digress...nevertheless, if the supreme court has ruled that it is a tax, and that Obamacare falls within the governements power to tax, has the supreme court not masterfully left an out for the American people. Are taxes, under the right conditions, repealed and or done away with? I don’t know...someone more educated on the subject than I educate me. Certanily, this is not the same country I fought for.


170 posted on 06/28/2012 1:23:45 PM PDT by cskmroberts
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To: Dr. Sivana
Will you be able to change your name to Hoosier or Tar Heel or Corn Husker or whatever?

LOL, thanks for the chuckle... I'll take any I can get today! ;-)

Well, my name will remain "nutmeg" on FR (too much hassle to change it), but hopefully someday that state flag I fly on my profile page will change...

171 posted on 06/28/2012 1:26:13 PM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin: Anybody But Obama 2012)
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To: tentmaker

The bill passed by Congress was NOT a tax, in fact, was even denied as such.


172 posted on 06/28/2012 1:31:48 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: jpl
Don’t kid yourself; if anyone is being fitted for ropes, it’s us right here.

Thank you. Trying to make chickensalad out of chickenshit is desperate delusion. There is no silver lining. Can anyone name one bill passed in the past 100 years that was turned more conservative. Please don't say Reagans tax reforms. You know damn good and well revenues increased to the feds at the expense of the producers despite decrease in rates. They simply say watch the bouncing ball while they corrupt the country. Leftward! Always left. Never more conservative.

There is a war on conservative thought, Christians, taxpayers, intruterine babies, and on and on. You cannot trust your own republican leadership. They are simply more subtle, but they are part of the problem. This is very dangerous for the public.

Hannity is delusional. His intentions are good, but today he is full of crap. There is no good silver lining. The lining is feculent and purulent. This gets very dangerous.

173 posted on 06/28/2012 1:42:49 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: spunkets

I do believe him. He’s not a Democrat. If he makes repealing Obamacare
a centerpiece of his campaign, I truly believe he’ll have a
filibuster-proof majority, and Obamacare will go on the ashheap,
at least until we get another Democrat as President.


174 posted on 06/28/2012 4:21:49 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama doesnÂ’t have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: cskmroberts

“if the supreme court has ruled that it is a tax, and that Obamacare falls within the governements power to tax, has the supreme court not masterfully left an out for the American people. Are taxes, under the right conditions, repealed and or done away with? I don’t know”

Taxes can be repealed, yes, but so can penalties. Nothing here is gained.


175 posted on 06/29/2012 10:24:50 AM PDT by Tublecane
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