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Fossil Fuels. When are we going to stop using this false description of anaerobic oil?
General Knowledge verses historical (mis-knowledge)

Posted on 06/04/2012 10:05:51 AM PDT by jongaltsr

How long are we going to continue referring to oil as Fossil fuel when we have known for many (Many) years that oil as we know it comes not from Dinosaurs etc but rather from "other" organic materials such as "trees" etc.

Animals that die (including dinosaurs) do not leave a trace of "oil" when they die. They putrefy, dehydrate and turn to dust, leaving only their bones to be discovered later on.

Yes there are fossils in the La Brea Tar Pits and many other such surface Tar Pits around the world but that is because animals fell in the oil that already existed and drowned because they could not swim or breathe.

Tar comes from trees, grasses, moss, peat moss etc and any fossils that are found in them were the result of those items being buried in amongst the organic material before it sunk down and decomposed far beneath the earth's surface.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; History; Reference
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; anaerobicoil; anwr; cassini; energy; fossilfuel; huygens; keystonexl; oil; opec; saturn; tar; thomasgold; titan
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1 posted on 06/04/2012 10:06:03 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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Fossil Fuel because fossils are found at the same layers as the source rock.

Granted that Algae and the like don’t leave much of a fossil, but their neighbors do.


2 posted on 06/04/2012 10:09:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jongaltsr
Tar comes from trees, grasses, moss, peat moss etc and any fossils that are found in them were the result of those items being buried in amongst the organic material before it sunk down and decomposed far beneath the earth's surface.

You described the origins of coal, but oil is not so cut and dried. There is some thought that it condensed out of the solar nebula and didn't originate from anything living.

3 posted on 06/04/2012 10:09:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: jongaltsr

Actually recent theories are that oil and other “fossil fuels” come from geological processes...


4 posted on 06/04/2012 10:12:00 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: jongaltsr
Whenever anyone talks to me about 'fossil fuels' I ask them about the moon Titan.

It's loaded with hydrocarbons.

/johnny

5 posted on 06/04/2012 10:13:03 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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6 posted on 06/04/2012 10:13:34 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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There are two souses of oil. One is form biological matter and one form chemical. Even the “smokers”’ hot water coming from the deep sea bottom has traces of inorganic oil. Then there is man made oil which is converted into trashahol. How does man make oil, form great pressure and heat just like deep in the earth.
7 posted on 06/04/2012 10:16:54 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: UCANSEE2

This is where the Myth began! Our wonderfully designed planet constantly produces the brown ooze from deep within and up it creeps through any and all debris, organic and otherwise, left behind from times long ago.

Drill Baby Drill - sooner than later. Get the scrubbers in the coal stacks. And stop using the bloody corn for fuel!


8 posted on 06/04/2012 10:20:11 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: jongaltsr

Petroleum is formed under great pressure from calcium carbonate (chalk), ferrous oxide (rust), and water in the Earth’s crust at a depth of approximately 60 km.

Dinosaurs and vegetation have nothing to do with it.


9 posted on 06/04/2012 10:21:06 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: mountainlion
How does man make oil, form great pressure and heat just like deep in the earth.

Heat and Pressure is how we break down oil into smaller , lighter components in our refineries.

10 posted on 06/04/2012 10:22:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes.


11 posted on 06/04/2012 10:23:19 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: jongaltsr
"other" organic materials such as "trees"

Even these other fossilized materials make up just a tiny fraction of the hydrocarbons we can and do extract as oil. For one thing, hydrocarbons appear to be commonplace in other parts of our solar system. Some of the outer planets have "moons" that are covered in seas of frozen methane. Organic compounds have even been detected in other planetary systems within our galaxy.

The conventional wisdom which dictates that oil, gas, and coal are exclusively derived from ancient life forms is perpetuated these days for two reasons. One, to protect "experts" whose reputations and livelihoods are based blind attachment to an illogical and outmoded theory.

And two, so that Chicken Little environmentalists can continue to make their projections every few years and decades that we are fast approaching the end of the supply of oil. The fact that "proven reserves" of the same have steadily increased over those same decades is simply an inconvenient fact they must ignore to keep the grant money flowing.

12 posted on 06/04/2012 10:23:19 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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Yes. Hydrocarbons are the basic building blocks of the universe.


13 posted on 06/04/2012 10:23:33 AM PDT by marron
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Heat and Pressure is how we break down oil into smaller , lighter components in our refineries

They use catalysts also. Take trash and heat and compress it make oil also.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/967192/posts


14 posted on 06/04/2012 10:33:00 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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I have been saying for 20 YEARS that oil comes from COMPRESSION of rocks. I don’t know if I’m right but I NEVER bought “dinosaurs and such” crap.


15 posted on 06/04/2012 10:36:44 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jongaltsr
How long are we going to continue referring to oil as Fossil fuel when we have known for many (Many) years that oil as we know it comes not from Dinosaurs etc but rather from "other" organic materials such as "trees" etc.

Dude, you seem to be confused.

The term "fossil" refers to plants as well as animals preserved in this way.

It's just that plant fossils don't get much attention because people are much more interested in fossil animals.

16 posted on 06/04/2012 10:40:21 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Can someone explain how trees, animals, etc formed the oil that lies two miles below the surface here in the Bakken formation?


17 posted on 06/04/2012 10:41:33 AM PDT by upsdriver
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To: mountainlion

Catalysts lower the energy required or accelerate the same chemical reaction. It is still heat and pressure breaking down oil. The catalysts just make it less expensive.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/99128/catalyst


18 posted on 06/04/2012 10:43:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: piytar; All

the Russians proposed this over 60 years ago

key terms abiotic oil and abiogenic oil

Interesting article and book

http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/04/21/abiogenic-oil/

http://www.amazon.com/The-Deep-Hot-Biosphere-Fossil/dp/0387952535


19 posted on 06/04/2012 10:43:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Ann Archy

Who’d a thunk the ancients got it right when they named it “petroleum”— petra-rock, oleo-oil.


20 posted on 06/04/2012 10:44:12 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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