Posted on 04/10/2012 8:09:48 AM PDT by BenLurkin
REDONDO BEACH (CBS) — Residents of Redondo Beach raised concerns during a meeting with Southern California Edison, claiming that a substation in their neighborhood is producing stray voltage and making people ill.
Emotions were heated during the three-hour public forum held by Redondo Beach city leaders.
“I don’t see my daughter, son; I don’t have a house anymore. This is far from fun and games,” a resident said.
“We have a newer house. There are older houses. Everybody has had issues,” a woman added.
“California may be the most integrative standards that there are, but they’re not doing what is right by the people. The only thing that California Edison is concerned about is their butts. That’s it,” another resident said.
Residents in the Knob Hill neighborhood, next to a Southern California Edison substation, which sends out electricity to the city, were armed with questions and concerns directed at representatives from Edison, The Gas Company, and the California Public Utilities Commission.
“There’s people getting sick and there’s people dying,” a woman said at the meeting.
Monday night the residents wanted their voices heard and demanded answers.
They believe that stray voltage from the substation and electromagnetic fields from the power lines, which surround homes, a school and a church, are making families sick. It’s a story that we first reported in February.
Back then we met the Barber family, who shared their medical ailments.
“I have a 14-month-old baby girl, who was just in the hospital last month,” Lori Barber said.
Edison said Monday that it is working with The Gas Company to resolve the issues.
“As you continually upgrade and remodel, the electrical usage in your neighborhoods is going to change, we need to conform accordingly,” the Edison representative said.
While experts we spoke with said there is cause for concerns, Edison said Monday that there was no scientific information that correlates with health issues or safety concerns.
“We need, for the magnetic fields and child leukemia, we need to pay attention to this and we need to do more research,” a man said.
The Knob Hill residents we talked with said that they left the meeting feeling very confused and still very worried. But they said that they would continue to fight and lobby.
They don’t call it The Land of Fruit and Nuts for nothing.
D#mned electricity. Not to worry. Pretty soon there will be less of it around, thanks to Barack.
More bad science. There have been countless reports on the effects of electro-magnetic waves on humans. You can take an IQ test under the genenerator at Hoover Dam, and re-take the IQ test in the middle of a meadow ... no significant difference.
We are surrounded by electromagnetic waves, and the studies have found that we are simply not affected by them, at the levels and frequencies used for power distribution (not so much for microwaves). There were even decade long studies of cattle raised in fields beneath electrical tranmission lines - the levels of cancer, deformed calves, tumors and other malignant problems were comparable to the control group.
However, a few milligrams of caffeine, LSD, sugar, alcohol or any other chemical can have dramatic affects on us. Electicity and Electro-magnetic waves - not so much.
Sometimes bad things happen to good people. People die, people get sick - just like the Breast Cancer scare, bad science benefits no one, except lawyers.
There’s only one remedy for stray Volts. RPG.
Nope. It’s the jet contrails, er, chemtrails, in the sky. Or maybe fracking. Or it could be the Alar, or the trans-fats, or the carbon dioxide, or Fukushima, or Mitt Romney, or the Taos Hum, or White Supremacy, or....
Well said.
These people don't deserve a better world. They deserve to not have cool houses in the summer, and warm ones in the winter. They don't deserve to have hot food from cold storage. They don't deserve to have electric pumps to bring water for drinking and to flush their shat.
They despise the very people and things that brought them out of the misery that was human existence before widespread electrification.
Got tired of all the stray voltage leaking out of my unused outlets so I closed them all with fence staples.
Time to get off the lap-top and turn the mains back on.
Of course it is very possible for there to be stray voltage from a substation. Improper grounding, shorts, inductance, any number of things with bad design or construction could have voltage going astray, but you’d be able to measure it and there would be observable effects - people getting shocked, damage to equipment or even accelerated corrosion of metal objects. But practically nothing of what the residents are complaining about.
2. Turn off their power.
(The sky is pink in my fantasy world.)
Contrails? You're so 60's. Get with the program...it's fracking that is causing all the health problems. Do you still wear bell bottom pants?
If this is going on, it can be measured.
http://www.eiwellspring.org/HowToMeasureEMF.pdf
Once you have determined what fields are present and in what strength, then we can have the discussion about how harmful they are.
These are ALL people trying to gather evidence of their ‘disability’ for SS disability, pure and simple.
In my career I’ve had transferred calls routed to me to deal with individuals trying to claim the same crap...RF/EM waves playing havoc with this or that body part.....
In truth, they are looking for some scintilla of confirmation of the possiblity they can use for the SS claim.
Frauds all.
60’s? Maybe. Actually I’m a product of the 70’s - that is when most of the the sorrowful mess in my head that passes for formal education was accrued. I’d sue the NEA for cranial injury from a defective and dangerous product but the statue of limitations has long since past.
“Crap Science - confusing coincidence with causation for over a century...”
My company occssionally does engineering work for the power companies.
They do occassionally have issues with voltage bleeding outside of their property. They have equipment to measure this; and, the remedy is usually to install a masonary wall panel, as the fencing, instead of chain link.
Now this isn’t some mysterious magnetic field cause learning disabilities...this is people getting small shocks when they touch metal things in their homes.
It has always been the substations also...the transmission lines people complain about are sufficiently high, and in a wide enough easement, to have no chance of any harmful electromagnetic radiation on adjacent property...and bleed voltage seems like an impossibility.
So...not knowing anything about this case, I’d say the utility company will just build a wall, or make the existing wall taller.
The sub-station should be well grounded, if not it will ‘raise’ the local ground potential. Thus, instead of seeing 120Vac at your plug (relative to ground) you would see something less, right?
If you are touching ground, your potential raises above that of the ‘Earth’; thus relative to you, the voltage at your appliances is LESS than what you would expect.
If you are ABOVE ground, how would you get shocks from appliances? The appliances would simply be “grounded” to the same level as you are. This isn’t my field of specialty, just question how the stray voltage would come into play.
The only effect, after decades of building, and maintaining high voltage lines and structures I ever noticed (retired Power Distribution Lineman) was positive!
Working around up to 500,000 KVA made my arthritis feel GREAT! Makes your hair frizzy too!
***There have been countless reports on the effects of electro-magnetic waves on humans.***
The power of suggestion. Back in the 1980s the wackos began to claim of problems from stray voltages. It then spread through out all the new agers (New Agers, women and children hit hardest!). Some snake oil quacks began to claim they could test a home and show you the most dangerous places in a house.
People began to fear having overhead power lines above them.
I live near a 345 MW power plant. The land the power lines crossed was pasture for years, then someone bought it, subdivided lots, and nice homes have been built with the power lines next to them. There have been NO PROBLEMS with stray voltage.
Substations have ground wires to bleed off stray voltage.
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