Posted on 03/21/2012 8:05:22 PM PDT by Linda Frances
Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.
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If nothing else, Rick has reminded people to think about what is really important; protecting your family from the cultural onslaught, your freedoms from the left, our right as Christians.......God places our leaders, maybe God will be merciful. Otherwise third party or write in for me.
i understand. i’ve given the conditions underwhich i could vote for romney. he would simply have to ask forgiveness from the people of mass and God for his previous immoral stands on convenience abortion (murder), romneycare (father of obamacare and medical slavery) and the hoax of global warming (idolatry). and repudiate all of these.
then i could vote for him with a clear conscience. maybe he still will.
anyway, you’re right God will choose our leader but we can choose who to work for and with and it’s no secret here that i’ve given money to both santorum and gingrich.
santorum was on my original list (not my first pick but second after bachmann), and frankly, i thought at the beginning he was the least likely to win. i believe, God is certainly using mr. santorum to further his own end in this campaign.
“And look at how young girls are dressing and acting now days - all learned at their father’s knee.”
Excuse me? Daughters learn to dress from their fathers now?!? That statement is just nuts.
“To be honest, I don’t know what all is in the illegal porn, and I don’t want to know.”
Of course you don’t know, because nobody really knows. Obscenity laws are intentionally vague, and up to the interpretation of individual judges. There are no objective standards for “illegal porn” clearly written in statutes. As one Supreme Court Justice famously opined, the standard for illegal vs legal porn is “I know it when I see it.”
That’s why the argument that existing laws are not being enforced is silly. Whether or not they are being enforced is an entirely subjective opinion, and when it comes to the law, your opinion, or my opinion, is worthless. It only matters what the judges’ opinions are, and they rarely rule on these cases anymore, since most of the legal battles were already fought back in the 70’s and 80’s.
I think you’ve been watching too much CSI or something. There is no way for police to identify something as a stranger murder until they’ve already investigated and determined the perpetrator of the murder. Suspicious disappearances aren’t even treated as crimes by the police in many cases, unless there is evidence of foul play, much less checked against some nationwide database. If there is evidence of a serial killer at work, the police can be VERY selective about releasing any information to the media, though the sensationalism of the media when they do get information might lead you to believe otherwise.
Serial killers often get away with it for decades, because the very nature of their crimes make them very hard to catch. It’s fair to say that police are better at realizing when there is a serial killer at work now than in times past, but they are still usually caught when they make mistakes, or by lucky breaks, than by modern methods of police work.
Do you think of sex when you you look at your spouse? Does that make your spouse porn?
Back to my question. Is Michelangelo’s David porn? I mean, he’s naked. Doesn’t that make it porn? If not, why not? Is it porn when 50% of the girls in the middle school class visiting the museum see it and think of sex?
Do you accept that porn is more widely available now than in the 80s... yes or no?
If your answer is 'yes' to both, then you must agree that there is by definition a correlation between availability of porn and a decrease in the above crimes.
Bundy was put to death the next morning after this interview. When did he get the chance to do what you say he did?
When I say murder, I specifically mean the murder of women with evidence of sexual assault.
Police can usually clear the prime suspects - boyfriend, husband - within hours.
When I say suspicious disappearances, I mean women who suddenly stop showing up for work or school, stop calling their mothers, stop using their credit cards.
Obviously, women who are drug addicts, or mentally ill, or prostitutes, or chronic teenage runaways will require more investigation.
My point is that being a successful serial killer is massively harder today than it was even 10 years ago.
And the crime data confirm it.
What is not a mistake is that Ted Bundy blamed everything and everyone, including his victims. So if you want to accept his commentary and judgement on pornography, why not accept his commentary and judgement that his victims were asking for it?
Up until the last few hours, Bundy was trying to weasel out of the death penalty by promising to tell where all the bodies were. The state refused, so he clammed up and was fried. But clearly, he was talking up through the very last hours.
Bundy had been asked about pornography before, on several occasions and always denied that it had been a factor. He'd been asked because it isn't always that a serial killer is willing to talk.
The following is from Wikipedia, but is very heavily footnoted. Note also that it wasn't only pornography, but that he blamed detective magazines which were popular when he was younger. Much tamer, by many standards, than what is available today.
Researchers generally agree that Bundy's sudden condemnation of pornography was one last manipulative attempt to forestall his execution by catering to Dobson's agenda as a longtime anti-pornography advocate, telling him precisely what he wanted to hear.[295] While he asserted in the Dobson interview that detective magazines and other reading material had "corrupted" him and "fueled [his] fantasies...to the point of becoming a serial killer", in a 1977 letter to Ann Rule he said, "Who in the world reads these publications? ... I have never purchased such a magazine, and [on only] two or three occasions have I ever picked one up."[296] "I don't think pornography caused Ted Bundy to kill," Rule wrote. "I think he became addicted to the power his crimes gave him."[297] Bundy also told Michaud and Aynsworth in 1980, and Hagmaier the night before he spoke to Dobson, that pornography played a negligible role in his development as a serial killer.[298] "The problem wasn't pornography," wrote Dekle. "The problem was Bundy."[299]Blaming everything and everyone including the victims:
As Rule and Aynesworth both noted, for Bundy, the fault always lay with someone or something else. While he eventually confessed to 30 murders, he never accepted responsibility for any of them, even when offered that opportunity prior to the Chi Omega trial—which would have averted the death penalty.[300] He deflected blame onto a wide variety of scapegoats, including his abusive grandfather, the absence of his biological father, the concealment of his true parentage, alcohol, the media, the police (whom he accused of planting evidence), "society" in general, violence on television, and ultimately, true crime periodicals and pornography.[301] He blamed television programming—which he watched mostly on sets that he had stolen—for "brainwashing" him into stealing credit cards.[302] On at least one occasion he even tried to blame his victims: "I have known people who...radiate vulnerability," he wrote in a 1977 letter to Kloepfer. "Their facial expressions say 'I am afraid of you.' These people invite abuse... By expecting to be hurt, do they subtly encourage it?"[303]
So, do you trust his judgement, or not? Dr. Dobson, knowing his history did trust his judgement, and I say that that was very wrong - it's wrong to present selective tidbits and dismiss the rest.
Either Bundy was a subhuman piece of garbage who deserved to be executed; or he was a helpless victim of pornography, TV, relatives, alcohol, and even his own victims.
I vote for fully responsible subhuman garbage.
If it was a last ditch effort to do right, why did he refuse to reveal where the rest of his victims were unless he personally got something out of it (a delay in his sentence)?
Why did he blame the victims, saying that they made themselves vulnerable? Was the 12 year old he slaughtered to blame? Which of the others caused their own slaughter?
Why are you willing to pick and choose among his statements?
Bundy was solely responsible for his crimes.
I see your point, but on fallacy that TV shows perpetrate is the idea that DNA solves more cases.
at most crimes scenes, there is just too much. Defense attorneys don’t want DNA testing cause it may prove their client did it, prosecutor don’t want DN testing cause it may prove the defendant didn’t do it.
While we now can look at nationwide cases, a awful lot of crimes never get “solved”
I am not here to defend him, what he did was indefensible and I did not pick and choose what he said. Where in the interview are statements saying he blamed others? I'm sure in the past he did, but not here. The point of the interview was he was finally admitting to the public he was guilty. Did you read the last interview 17 hours before before he was executed? I posted it and It was not with the media, but was with Dr Dobson of Focus on the Family. He would not give the media an interview.
Here is some of what said: I don’t want to die; I won’t kid you. I deserve, certainly, the most extreme punishment society has. And I think society deserves to be protected from me and from others like me. That’s for sure. What I hope will come of our discussion is that I think society deserves to be protected from itself. As we have been talking, there are forces at loose in this country, especially this kind of violent pornography, where, on one hand, well-meaning people will condemn the behavior of a Ted Bundy while they’re walking past a magazine rack full of the very kinds of things that send young kids down the road to being Ted Bundys. That’s the irony.
I started reading all I could on the Internet and even wiki has different versions of the facts. One thing he did do before he was executed was confess to 30 murders. On another site I see where one of the girls they thought he murdered; he did not. Through DNA they found the guy in prison who did it. Only God knows the truth. He was executed, as he well should have been.
When you see someone give up and admit to what they did, when they would not for years, something changed. Is it totally inconceivable that he was scared that God might be real and decided to do what he should have years before?
Child porn and violent porn should be banned. That is what Rick is talking about. Do you have a problem with banning child porn or violent porn? I think they were be easy enough to spot. When I said I don’t know and don’t want to know details, because there might be more than the two I do know about. If you have problems with child and violent porn being banned, I don’t know what to tell you.
The question is, how much power are you willing to give to the government in order to enforce the ban?
“Child porn and violent porn should be banned. That is what Rick is talking about.”
Is it? Where did he say that, or is it just your interpretation?
“Do you have a problem with banning child porn or violent porn?”
Child porn is already banned, and no I don’t have any problem with that. As for violent porn, I’m not sure what your definition is, since it could conceivably cover anything from spanking to mock snuff films. Like I said, the statutes are intentionally vague at the federal level, and my opinion doesn’t really matter, since I’m not a judge.
The problem wasn’t pornography,” wrote Dekle. “The problem was Bundy.”
Yes, the whole argument about pornography kind of ignores what we actually know about the development of serial killers. We can’t say the exact causes, but Bundy is a classic example of the progression that most of them go through, starting with petty crimes like theft and shoplifting, then progressing to burglaries and home invasions, then rapes, and finally murder. At each step along the way, they feel an increasing sense of power and control, but as they get desensitized to these thrills, they move on to more daring and violent crimes to get their fix.
Bundy progressed from pickpocketing and credit card fraud, to auto theft, to peeping, then home invasion burglaries, then rape, then abductions, then murder, necrophilia, and finally spree killing. He didn’t start out as a serial killer, he started out as a petty thief, and making the argument that violent pornography caused him to start stealing is patently ridiculous.
Yes, Bundy was a grade A liar, certainly much better at it than the Liar In Chief we’ve got today. One reason that he was so good at it, was because he had a keen sense of what people wanted to believe, and he tailored his lies to meet those expectations. Apparently, he was so good at it, some people still want to believe his lies from beyond the grave.
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