Posted on 03/20/2012 10:10:56 AM PDT by GSWarrior
At a Super Bowl dinner this year, I couldn't help but ask John Elway why he'd never done The Tebow, the one-knee mini-prayer popularized worldwide by his quarterback.
Elway is fairly religious, so he thought about it and then said, "How about this? I'll Tebow when he wins us a championship."
Add that to your list of Things You'll Never See. Right below "Lenny Dykstra, President of the United States."
Tebow is trade meat this morning after Elway used a combination of stones, guile, risk, friendship and legend to land the biggest free-agent whale in NFL history: Peyton Manning.
Manning, of course, has no business picking Denver. Cold-weather town? Green receivers? Thin backfield? Tennessee made much more sense (disregard all previous dispatches).
The reason Manning is about to become a Bronco has everything to do with one man, Elway
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I went back to youtube to check the 1998 play you referred to. Seriously? That's Elway running over a linebacker? Bo Jackson knew how to run over a linebacker. So does Tebow. Elway took a chance with his life there, and survived. Courage, yes. Fullback, no. Peyton Manning can do that play, too.
Harbaugh didn't make Smith great in the sense of the classic definition of a QB. But he had a great season, played great, and his team was millimeters from the Super Bowl. Harbaugh made him great in that sense, he did not improve his skills, but he found a way to use his skills so that they and the team flourished. I think we agree, but you misunderstood my use of the term "great" when describing Smith. He's not Tom Brady, and never will be. What makes some coaches great is designing around the players that you have. What demonstrates others to be mediocre is the inability to do that. They have to find a player that fits within a system that they can understand.
Brandon Marshall, who, after reading his lengthy rap sheet, one easily discerns that he is a head case and a morally bankrupt human being, was traded in April of 2010. Two seasons ago. Miami has now grown tired of his act and shipped him to Chicago. One could argue that Brandon Lloyd was their best receiver last year but he too knew that Tebow lacked the skill to be a good quarterback and asked to be traded. Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas are fine receivers and they've got some young kids with a lot of potential. You apparently forget what Manning was able to do with and for a group of previously unknown receivers in Indianapolis.
And no O-line phalanx to protect his fragile neck.
The current line is much better than the one Elway played behind for 13 of his 16 seasons. The orthopedic surgeon who operated on Manning has stated that his neck is now much stronger than the one he received from the manufacturer. The players who have worked out with him at Duke say he's the same old Manning.
And he will play in thin air, at 36, in lots of cold, windy games,
You obviously haven't spent much time in Denver during the winter or any other season for that matter.
This could be ugly to behold.
If it turns out to be beautiful will you be humble enough to come back and admit you were wrong?
Cooper Manning had a neck problem and had to quit football from what I recall reading.
Incorrect. Quinn was a free agent and left on his own. No loss as evidenced by his lackluster performance against Arizona last September.
so if they trade Tebow they’ll have to get at least one other QB.
You're forgetting about Adam Weber who remains but if they deal Tebow they'll definitiely get an experienced backup.
Elway and Shanahan, who was then a coach with the 49ers, convinced Bowlen to fire Reeves? If they had that much juice why weren't they then able to convince Bowlen to hire Shanahan instead of that disaster Wade Phillips?
Said the guy named "AA". Maybe you are drunk at the keyboard. You expose yourself as the same kind of backward looking type as Elway by making the same arguments that Elway and this libtard Rick guy do, instead of thinking about what Tebow could do, under a system set up for what he brings to the table.
Elway rushed for over 3400 yards in his career.
So, about 200 yards a season? 13 yards a game. That's not rushing, it's once or twice a game avoiding the sack and picking up a few yards. Are you kidding me? In Tebow, you combine a 1000 yard a season rusher, if he was an RB, with a guy who has a great arm and has shown he can put the ball where he wants to deep downfield--as Pittsburgh found out. Defenses aren't set up to stop the run in a no-back or one back offense. With Tebow, that becomes a 2 back offense that is also in a passing set. It changes the equations that defenses live and die by. The main drawback to it, though, is the risk of injury to your QB. If he is a key runner, and you lose him, you have issues. You now have to bring in a QB that is probably a standard QB, and the team has to run an entirely different playbook. That is a reason for concern, sure. But not Tebow's supposed inability to play QB. That opinion is more an indicator of an inflexible mindset.
That's why everybody in the league is breaking down the Broncos door to get Tebow, right?
The coaches I mentioned have already got QBs that they have made into winners, so don't need Tebow. Some team will pick him up and if he has a coach who is willing to put in a system that works with Tebow's skill set, then they will do well. Other coaches who adapted well to their QBs were Andy Reid with Michael Vick, and Rex Ryan with Sanchez. Sanchez, in particular, would have been as big a failure as Smith if he had not been allowed to grow with what he had. If Tebow gets someone that thinks that they have to completely change him into John Elway, then it probably won't work. He may get better on some mechanics, but he will probably never be a good QB if forced to play as a standard dropback QB. His success can come by his ability to unbalance the defense. Elway never wanted to figure out a way to make that work, because he can't see beyond his comfort zone. The nattering nabobs of the NFL don't like Tebow for the same reason that the elites hate Sarah Palin, he threatens them and their world view by the attraction that the public has for him. So they have to tear him down, where a Joe Flacco, with lesser skills and lesser potential is not. subjected to the constant ridicule. Sad to see so many on FR buy into that load of crap spewed by the far left sports media.
Fox has little if anything to do with the offense. The wizards responsible for changing to and implementing the spread were Mike McCoy, Adam Gase and Elway
Maybe someone will try it one of these days.
Wow you’re way off in crazy land. Flacco has a higher completion percentage, higher yards per pass, and fewer fumbles. And also Flacco takes tons of heat for uneven play. Tebow takes heat because his stats stink, period:
http://www.nfl.com/player/timtebow/497135/gamelogs
He doesn’t challenge anybody’s belief, he’s just not a good QB. Those are fact, not leftist media anything. Nice guy, bad QB, read the stats.
Manning is old slow and skinny, having him in as a decoy is just a waste of a player on the field. And with Tebow’s inaccuracy having them both on the field and letting Tebow throw his doomed ducks will drive Manning insane.
I hope I am wrong. I have tremendous respect for Manning.
You can live and die by simple stats and still not understand their deeper significance. How do they connect to winning and losing? A typical Flacco 12 for 20 with 150 yards and a 17-14 win because of a great defense is not an indication that Baltimore is better with Flacco than it would be with a Tebow 10 for 25 and 80 yards rushing, including several key third down conversions where he scrambles for it. Flacco flat out stinks, but he is not subject to ridicule about it. Crazy Land is reserved for anyone who would pick Flacco over Tebow at this stage in their careers. Baltimore has been good in spite of Flacco. I respect his toughness, but not his skills.
Sheesh, create fantasy leagues run by stats and all of a sudden a bunch of football simpletons think they know all about the game. "Hey, this guy had 52 percent completions!!" Some of those stats are misleading, or don't tell the whole story.
I hope Manning flops, because I want to see Elway flop.
His lack of respect and loyalty for Tebow makes me sick.
Which stats? The stats from his two college national championships, or the stats from half a rookie season in the NFL when he led a dead-in-the-water team into the playoffs and a playoff win? You sound like you've already written him off, like most of the liberal, know-nothing ESPN "pundits" have.
Get a grip.
Great expectations. Hope it works out for the Broncos, Manning and Tebow.
And yet Flacco still completes a higher percentage (60.8 vs 47.3) of his passes for higher average yards (7.1 vs 6.8) than Tebow.
Don’t forget Tebow also benefits from a good defense that knocked 15 off their PPG average during Tebow’s win streak. Flacco does get ridiculed, and if he flat out stinks Tebow clearly stinks worse.
Sheesh throw a cross on a player and suddenly all the persecution junkies think he must be a great QB no matter what his stat line says. some stats are misleading, but the consistency of stats tells a big story. Tebow had FOUR games last year with single digit completions, and 2 more with 10 completions. He’s just plain not a good QB, look at the stats, his “best” stat is that he went 7-4 to end the regular season, most of those games against teams that finished 500 or worse. He only faced 2 teams in that regular season run that finished better than 8-8, Detroit and New England both of which crushed him. His only quality win was against a Steeler team that was killed by injuries, which he then followed up by getting killed by NE AGAIN.
He’s a nice guy, but he’s not a good QB. The stats are there, look em up. Find me a positive stat other than his 7-4 record against mostly bad teams.
I just figured out where the $1.6B that went missing from MF Global. Part of went to pay Manning. Some of it will be spent upgrading an O-line that led the leagues in getting Tebow sacked last year. Tebow. He’s like a running back, and he got sacked all the time last year.
The rest will be spent on receivers.
I’d like an investigation launched into the relationship between John Corzine and John Elway. Now.
It was his second season, not his rookie season, and he “led” (let’s not forget that defense) a bad team to an 8-8 record tied with 2 other bad teams in a bad division getting to the playoff based on tie-breakers because when he was in a win and you’re in game against the only team in that division that didn’t finish 8-8 he completed 6 passes.
Written him off? No. Understand why the Bronco got rid of him? Yeah. Grip? Mines better than yours.
I would rather see John become the man that Tebow is. I'd like him to repent and restore his family, become a "boyscout" role model to the team and to the community - to exhibit loyalty when he has nothing to gain and something to lose. I desire that John would acquire a powerful Christian testimony and use his fame to make the gospel famous.
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