Posted on 02/10/2012 6:27:16 AM PST by Former MSM Viewer
Did Rubios parents become citizens before he was born?
Normally, when people are naturalized, they are proud of it. Any politician would have this info in their biographies and use it to full advantage to garner votes. Do you see anything anywhere where Papa George was naturalized? Nope. I don't either. There were questions over this when he ran for POTUS but he dropped out before any serious investigation began. I'd like to see the new improved version of SR511 on vetting Mitt. It isn't going to happen because the RATS are wanting him in the running. As soon as the GOP elects an ineligible POTUS, bam! that's the end of any questions about the kenyan's appointments and rulings while in office.
People like this are why this country is going down the toilet. If one section of the Constitution means nothing, it's all void, and Obama can do anything he wants. Until the next civil war, anyway.
Charles Curtis? Enlighten me.
As to Grover Cleveland, he was a natural born Citizen as his father was a U.S. citizen when Grover was born:
Richard Falley Cleveland - was born on 19 Jun 1804 in Norwich, New London County, Connecticut and died on 1 Oct 1853 in Holland Patent, Erie, NY . He was the son of William Cleveland and Margaret Falley. Richard married Ann Neale. Ann was born on 4 Feb 1806 in Baltimore, Baltimore County, Maryland.
I apologize (I’ll blame caffiene deprivation a while ago), it was Chester Arthur, not Grover Cleveland, whose Father was Irish and not an American when he was born.
I suggest that Marco & Bobby won't be given a congressional "free pass" unless, in the style of the Missouri Compromise, the Democrats try once again to run another candidate of questionable NBC-status. Then a one-for-one bargain will be struck a la McCain-for-Obama.
Seriously, we are in an era where paternity is so devalued that many Americans, raised only by their mothers, don't know who their father is with any degree of certainty. Combine that with the overhang from all the "anchor babies" born over the last 40 years and you have a recipe for what he have now -- a president who just flouts the constitution because the vast majority of citizens don't give a rip.
So, what are you going to do about it, other than argue with Freepers? Are you going to don a super-hero suit and save the day as "Constitution Man"? Like it or not, the precedent has been set with Obama. If we want to run Rubio or Jindal, then we can.
Nobody is ridiculing the Constitution, but rather the made-up birtherisms that are found nowhere in the Constitution.
The definition of NBC was understood by the founders, it didn’t need to be explained. As the constitution was being written, issues surrounding who could serve as our head of state, and what that would be were hotly debated. The one requirement they all wanted was that our leader only have allegiance to the new fledgling united states. I wish I could read french, but as a product of the US education system, I’m lucky to be able to read english. When writing the constitution the founders including GW leaned heavily on the Law of Nations by Vattel 1758. In fact it was only last year that the NY public library forgave GW a late book fine of over 300K for three outstanding books one of which was an english translation of Vattel’s seminal work.
In the Law of Nations, citizenship was clearly defined as flowing from the bloodline of the father, where one was born was not relevant. To be native born, however was to be born on one’s home soil of parents who owed no other sovereign their allegiance, by renouncing any other citizenship and being a citizen of their chosen sovereign.
Charles Curtis was not born in the United States. He was born in the territory of Kansas.
This is the same argument that was tried against Barry Goldwater as he was born in the territory of Arizona.
According to the strict definitions that have been put down as the line of legitimacy, neither Curtis nor Goldwater (nor McCain for that matter) would be a “Natural Born Citizen” according to Vattel.
This argument fails on all accounts, everytime it’s brought up.
There are two ways (and only two, according to the words of the Supreme Court above) to be a citizen. You are either born a citizen, or you are naturalized a citizen.
If you are born a citizen, you are a “natural born citizen”. Period.
I thought perhaps that you were referring to Chester Arthur. But as I too was caffeine-deprived at the time I didn't want to jump on you. LOL!
The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with Article II presidential eligibility and the term natural born Citizen is NOT mentioned even once in it's wording.
Natural born is from natural law, and requires no man made law or legislation.
You have to give up on this crowd. They are beyond reason.
No, and the way he talks about Cuba, there would clearly be a loyalty conflict.
Look under your bed !
Keep calling it “Obot” misinformation so that everyone can see what a prick you are.
English Common Law was the basis of jurisprudence in the early party of this nation’s history. It was the lens that we viewed the law. The Marshall Court relied upon it exclusively, except in the matter of international and naval situations, and it is where many of our current legal precedence comes from.
The Supreme Court has plenty to say about the birther arguments, and none is good news for the birther movement.
No Rubio’s parents became citizens after his birth. He is not eligible to be VP or POTUS but I’m sure the GOP will try to run him anyway. There is an unspoken agreement between the GOP and Dems to change the definition of Natural Born Citizen. Thats why Obama was allowed to run. They all knew he was not eligible.
Yes!
Neither of your examples even mentions the term:
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
‘Perhaps the SINGLE MOST exceptional and BOLD COURAGEOUS act a man, this man, Marco Rubio, might do for AMERICA and the restoration of the G-dly values of the Constitution, the Declaration and our Founding Era, is to claim that according to his best understanding of the proper meaning of the US Constitution’s requirement of “Natural Born Citizen” that he himself is ineligible.’
Well-said!
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