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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"What is your opinion on Charles Curtis? Born outside of the U.S. Or Grover Cleveland, whose father was a British citizen at the time of his birth?"

Charles Curtis? Enlighten me.

As to Grover Cleveland, he was a natural born Citizen as his father was a U.S. citizen when Grover was born:

Richard Falley Cleveland - was born on 19 Jun 1804 in Norwich, New London County, Connecticut and died on 1 Oct 1853 in Holland Patent, Erie, NY . He was the son of William Cleveland and Margaret Falley. Richard married Ann Neale. Ann was born on 4 Feb 1806 in Baltimore, Baltimore County, Maryland.

24 posted on 02/10/2012 7:09:53 AM PST by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert

Charles Curtis was not born in the United States. He was born in the territory of Kansas.

This is the same argument that was tried against Barry Goldwater as he was born in the territory of Arizona.

According to the strict definitions that have been put down as the line of legitimacy, neither Curtis nor Goldwater (nor McCain for that matter) would be a “Natural Born Citizen” according to Vattel.

This argument fails on all accounts, everytime it’s brought up.

There are two ways (and only two, according to the words of the Supreme Court above) to be a citizen. You are either born a citizen, or you are naturalized a citizen.

If you are born a citizen, you are a “natural born citizen”. Period.


30 posted on 02/10/2012 7:18:08 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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