Posted on 01/22/2012 1:30:04 PM PST by butterdezillion
So I’d have to be there? An affidavit wouldn’t work? I don’t have a way to get to Georgia and I don’t know if my husband would be cool with it even if I could. If I said in an affidavit how I got the evidence and how I preserved it, would that work?
J.Christian Adams is the lawyer who quit the DOJ due to the black panther case.
I’m not sure where he is from but if I had a lawyer question, I’d not hesitate to ask him for his recommendation.
Press is going to be there. Video will be rolling.
I think Obama never thought he would get caught once elected. He always had that special card to play and fall back on.
But like they say, if your going to steal, steal millions. The shame of it is, he put an honest and honorable man in jail to keep his ill gotten goods. For this reason, I can't feel any pity for the bastard. Standing in front of the world, exposed, a naked fraud, unable to qualify.
Honey, FReepers would foot your bill to get there, I’d wager.
It's only right that free people get to see all his birth documents before we consent to his rule of our government.
We the people deserve some respect, and its about damn time we get it. If he has contempt for us and our courts when we ask for qualifying documents, he needs to be impeached and removed.
But who would knock my husband out so he wouldn’t know?
He is not a lawyer as far as I know, but he is one of the plaintiffs in one of Thursday's cases, and he is the Clayton Co. GA Republican party chair.
If he is not too busy, he may be a useful ally to you in this matter.
Jerry Corsi’s source at the HDOH says they have a forged long-form in their office. If they were gonna have a problem with certifying a forgery they wouldn’t have let it be in their files in the first place. That could well be why Neal Palafox was told to resign as HDOH Director - so they could get Fuddy in there who clearly - in full view of everybody - has no qualms about breaking every law in the book.
The HDOH is already so deep in this doo-doo that I expect them to legally certify what they know to be a forgery. And my bet is that Obama would present that, claiming that it is self-authenticating so the original and the other records requested can’t be required.
Hi Butter,
I am sorry but i just don’t get all of this excitement.
You are worried that Obama is going say that his mom was never married and therefore he is a NBC?
First of all he can say that if he wants to. Then it is up to the attorneys to show the judge all the evidence that says they were married. Thats it. I mean you can’t give the court evidence of an ad Obama made that you argue is not true. Obama will have to submit the ad himself (he needs to assert that first before you can argue against it).
No one is going to accept an ad as evidence their parents weren’t married. I really think that this is going beyond reasonableness If I was Obama’s helpers I would read these posts just to get ideas.
What Orly needs to focus on now is how to prove the certified bc that the attorney will submit is a forgery. The judge will not care a hoot about the forgery on the wh website (except maybe for comparison purposes). He wants to know is the one he has in his hand right now a forgery. The other attorneys don’t care about the bc. Orly should have as many certified bc from that time period as possible and a document examiner with her. Thats all she can do.
Don’t worry the court proceedings will be conducted on a very methodical basis. We have Rubio and Jindall next and now there is really a problem because they get picked not elected.
Please work on getting legislation passed in your state that gives ordinary citizens standing to challenge qualifications and the duty of the SoS to check the qualifications. Spell out the definition of NBC in the legislation.
For all we know this Thursday may be the first and last time such evidence will ever have a chance to cross the desk of an actual Judge who regards himself as having jurisdiction and who regards the plaintiffs as having a valid complaint.
For what it's worth I suspect she has already applied quite a bit of elbow grease to impacting the election laws and mechanisms in her state.
They will go the “contempt of court route” and drag this up the chain till they get a better decision.
The document they have is what we have seen. A print of the PDF cut and paste “do it yourself” LFBC file. There is no original that looks like it. So contempt of court is now the most likely route. Maybe the only option.
Yeah, I guess I just couldn’t get what all the urgency was about. She probably has something she has not revealed to us.
I do hope Thursday will be the last ballot challenge, in a hypothetical way. I hope it goes all the way to the Supreme stinkin Ct and they rule what a NBC is, panty wastes all of them.
Once we are all enlightened as to what a NBC is, then we all need to go back to our stinkin legislators and get them to pass standing and qualification laws in our states. Just go to the capital and hang out, its not that hard, especially if they think you have influence. Citizen lobbyists, thats what we need to be. We have most of the states now and governors. Get going!!
Did you post it on the Georgia message board?
But who would knock my husband out so he wouldn’t know?
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Tell him to talk to me!
I was going to offer to help pay your way and I’d bet we’d have the fare in less than a day, but obviously if hub wouldn’t go along, then there’s no use.
If the situation changes, let me know. Good luck.
B,
Why are you even considering legal advice from a person on the Internet who has a reputation for making stuff up and never even trying to support his fanciful creations? That would be Sven, by the way.
You’ve gotten sound legal views from Lurking Libertarian several times, and his track record on this matter is close to perfect. Have you asked him for an opinion?
A basic tenant of our Judicial system is the accused has a right to confront the accuser. In a civil suit, a witness is needed to present evidence and opposing counsel has the right to cross-examine the witness to impeach the evidence, i.e. How did you obtain this evidence? Who has handled this evidence since you obtained it?
After a witness is examined and then cross-examined by an opposing counsel, the attorney who called the witness may ask the court permission for redirect examination (ask the witness follow up questions after cross-examination.)
In the post-Obama presidency, the rules have changed. Obama can submit evidence through his attorney without appearing in Court to answer questions about how it was obtained or chain of custody issues. If the opposing counsel sees an anomaly in the certified COLB which serves a prima facie evidence, then too bad. What if the COLB was mailed and it arrived in an unsealed envelope? What if the raised seal was created by a coin pulled out of Rahm Emmanual’s pocket?
Relax, butter. Obots are playing word games to excuse the Candidate Obama’s behavior. For example, the President has sovereign immunity for acts committed as his official duties. The candidate is the President, so the candidate has sovereign immunity. Baloney. Running for office is not an official duty of the President. Candidate Obama is subject to examination at an eligibility hearing. If he doesn’t want to be examined at an eligibility hearing, then he has the option of withdrawing from the race.
Each state is a separate case. Some states are more strict than others. And the general election is separate from the primaries in that the National DNC chairman certifies the Democratic candidate in each state for the general election; while the state DNC chairman certifies the Democratic candidate for the primary in their state.
He thinks I’m unnecessarily putting our family in danger.
Much as we hate it, the thug tactics of these people can control some people. I’ve told him there is more security in being public, and I do have people the Obama thugs know would have my back if they tried anything at this point - which is different than earlier, when it appeared that my husband’s van wiring’s sheathing was cut the day after I was in contact with Lakin’s counsel.
He’s watched what has happened with my computer and he’s just really tired of hassling with it all. It would be so much easier to just get along and go along. He’s not one for making waves if he doesn’t have to. And neither am I, but in this instance I really feel like I have no other choice. We’re so close and so much is at stake. He feels that I’m selling the family short because I can’t “give this up”. The longs years of obfuscation also take their toll - sort of like on “National Treasure” where the dad says there will always be one more clue that has to be followed up on. I’ve wanted to do the research, get what evidence/knowledge I can, and then pass it on to somebody else in a criminal investigation. I don’t know the laws well enough to say, but at this point I’m afraid that HI would be able to quash even a criminal investigation. As somebody else said, for all we know this may be the only time we’ll have a judge who believes it to be within his jurisdiction to check any of this out. But my husband is afraid that there’s no end to what I need to do.
Say what they will about Orly, but that lady has guts. And her husband deserves a HUGE round of applause, because everything she does affects him too. Not every guy is willing to put up with the crap that comes with taking on the corrupt system.
I didn’t, because at this point it sounds like I’m going to have to go through Orly directly. I’m sure she’s got plenty to deal with as it is and I would have liked to not add to that and risk taking away from something else she needs to concentrate on. If it can’t be helped it can’t be helped.
Here is Van Irion’s contact information, Butter.
http://libertylegalfoundation.org/contact/
He’s the guy.
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