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To: fso301
I'll have to look it up but I seem to recall MacArthur having received a much larger compensation package from the Philippines.

If you could do that, I'd be interested in seeing it. Also, when he received it and where the information comes from would be important.

Again, I can't give him a pass because training in the states was lacking. He was brought in to get the Filipino Army in a condition where it could defend itself and he failed to do so. I agree with the decision to relieve General Short for his shortsightedness at Pearl Harbor, and would have supported the relief of MacArthur for the same lack of vision.

Additionally, he exacerbated the situation with his decision to defend at the beaches with forces that he should have known were not in a condition to do so and added to that his decision to uphold the Filipino laws that restricted the transport of food stocks across district borders even though they were in the process of being invaded.

The men in the field did an excellent job and held the Japanese off until May of 1942, but they could have held out longer had MacArthur stuck with WPO-3 which was the current Plan Orange for the Philippines in the War Department. The War Department estimated that they would be able to hold out on the Bataan Peninsula for 12 months (which granted still may have not been long enough) instead of five.

25 posted on 12/15/2011 9:18:20 AM PST by CougarGA7 ("History is politics projected into the past" - Michael Pokrovski)
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If you could do that, I'd be interested in seeing it. Also, when he received it and where the information comes from would be important.

Most definitely. Just give me a couple of days since it's been so long, I don't remember exactly where I read it and may have to bit of digging to find it. Regardless of what I eventually locate, I will post back to you.

Again, I can't give him a pass because training in the states was lacking. He was brought in to get the Filipino Army in a condition where it could defend itself and he failed to do so.

My understanding is that MacArthur, a man who knew the Philippines and Filipino's very well never expected to get a Philippine force into a condition where it could defend itself. He anticipated a force capable of fighting a delaying action until support could be received from America.

I agree with the decision to relieve General Short for his shortsightedness at Pearl Harbor, and would have supported the relief of MacArthur for the same lack of vision.

When in possession of all information and having the perfect clarity of hindsight, it is easy to second guess decisions. However, based on what was available to MacArthur in 1941, what did he do that was so wrong as to warrant his being sacked?

Additionally, he exacerbated the situation with his decision to defend at the beaches with forces that he should have known were not in a condition to do so

Again, I think you say these things armed with all information and the clarity of hindsight. Had MacArthur instead, consolidated all his forces in Bataan, I dare say authors would be skewering him for having not met the enemy on the beaches.

and added to that his decision to uphold the Filipino laws that restricted the transport of food stocks across district borders even though they were in the process of being invaded.

I don't know about Filipino laws or their significance but MacArthur certainly did send supplies into Bataan and Corregidor upon activation of Orange.

The men in the field did an excellent job and held the Japanese off until May of 1942, but they could have held out longer had MacArthur stuck with WPO-3 which was the current Plan Orange for the Philippines in the War Department. The War Department estimated that they would be able to hold out on the Bataan Peninsula for 12 months (which granted still may have not been long enough) instead of five.

Because we are both reasonable people seeking better understandings of events, I have to ask you to provide an original source for your information about a 12 month holdout period. I'd really be interested in learning about it because from a logistical standpoint, it's really a cookbook formula. X tons of supplies are needed to supply X men for X period of time. My understanding has always been that MacArthur's entire strategy rested upon assurances by Washington of resupply and reinforcement from America... something which never happened. Not even the supply convoy enroute to the Philippines on Dec 8, 1941 was permitted to resupply the islands.

27 posted on 12/15/2011 10:34:00 AM PST by fso301
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