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1 posted on 11/29/2011 5:53:35 PM PST by Swordmaker
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Android and iPhone OSHA app cost the government $200,000... and is useless, and wasteful, and doesn't work!—PING!

WARNING... BAD LANGUAGE ... WARNING!

Entirely justified, in my opinion...


OSHA APP Ping!

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2 posted on 11/29/2011 5:58:14 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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The “relative” temperature indexes cause more trouble than they are worth anyway. I have worked in a garage and had people call worried because their antifreeze is good down to -25 but they hear on the news that the windchill will be -30. It can be very hard to explain this to them
3 posted on 11/29/2011 6:00:12 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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LOL, I’m with the author on his assessment if I were to build it, a good 6 hours development time max X $100-$125/hour. Add in some follow up time for testing and support... For $200K, they should have gotten a whole suite of apps that do more than provide data that can be pulled from a RSS feed.


4 posted on 11/29/2011 6:01:07 PM PST by mnehring
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You just don't understand the Federal Government. They probably did pay $800-$1600 for the code. First, though, they paid a friendly professor $50,000 to write the needs analysis, another friendly professor $50,000 specify the application, and a friendly contracting firm $10000 to interview and hire a programmer for $100 per hour on a piece work, two day contract. In addition, they will certify that the code meets specific standards and that the required functionality is in fact delivered.

So, the government has spent $111,600 and have the application in hand. Now they have to pay a reliable company to field test the application, accept or reject it as meeting the original specification, and if they accept it, to train the the trainers in how to use it. Considering all the presentation and training material that will be generated, that's probably going to cost about $100,000 but can be limited by limiting the number of trainers that are initially trained.

Someone will probably get a bonus for keeping the total delivered price below $250,000 which would have put it into a different category and would have driven the cost up even further. Now as for it not working and the interface being crap, that's not an issue unless the specification required that it work and the interface not be crap. If the friendly professor they hired hadn't specified software much there's a good chance that no such specific requirement was included. Live and learn, of course, and after specifying a few he'll get the hang of it and be an even friendlier professor as well. Those agencies that really care about getting quality software the first time pay friendly professors who have retired from the agency that is seeking the software product. In this case, someone figured it was so trivial they'd let a new guy have a shot and you saw the result.

Regards

9 posted on 11/29/2011 6:28:56 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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Where do I sign up as a developer?
12 posted on 11/29/2011 6:59:51 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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I love a story my brother told about the Navy, for which he was a civilian employee. It seems my brother was tasked to analyze a problem on an airplane, and in solving it he pointed out to his boss that the solution would be clearly observable if you used an ordinary scale model of the plane.

So, the boss went to the store and paid a few bucks for the model out of his own pocket, and used it a day or two later to explain the problem to his boss in Washington. My brother said that if he had had to get the model through channels, it would have taken weeks, and would have cost hundreds of dollars. Because of a system which is designed to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse.

Liberals went orgasmic when they found out that Grumman made ash trays and charged the government $600 apiece for them. Waste! Fraud!! Abuse!!!

In reality, of course, the paperwork alone to establish permission to put an additional piece in a military aircraft, anywhere for any reason, costs money. You add an ash tray to a dozen planes or fewer, in this case, and it is absurd to suppose that you could possibly design, gain approval, make, and install those ash trays for less than $600 for each. In fact, it turns out that there were sports cars whose manufacturer charged more than that for an ash tray!

In this present case, I'd imagine that nearly all of the cost went into overhead, and time of people who were being underutilized worrying about trifles. But just one court case would surely vindicate having all your i's dotted and your t's crossed. If you use the OSHA temperature work safety app on your iPhone, you can presumably use that fact as a defense in court if ever one of your employees suffers from heat stroke. That just might make it worth it, right there.

Making no representation that I question whether a competent developer could not, using the existing app as a model, create a much nicer app in a week's time . . .

20 posted on 12/01/2011 6:14:52 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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