[Dubh_Ghlase]

My wife and I employ an Alpha woman. What amazed me was the fact that she hung on as long as she did while her husband did his own thing. When the kids were pretty-well self-sufficient, she finally had enough and left. Right now she's living pretty close to the cuff, but better than she ever has and is happy doing it. My wife and I like the heck out of her and support her as we can.

I may catch flack for this, but it seems we've bred a culture of men that don't know what a woman wants or how to care for them in the basic sense. It can swing both ways (unreasonable expectations on both sides), but reasonable expectations are not to be ignored...

[Cruising For Freedom]

There are plenty of women who are lazy and shiftless. But I do agree with you. There does seem to be a stronger trend of men who never get a job and grow up, particularly game addicts.

I’m not sure what the diagnosis is; maybe it’s perception bias because most women without self-discipline end up with children and are either forced to grow up or they “fake” respectability through the endless layer of entitlements available to single parents?

[Cronos]

we've bred a culture of men that don't know what a woman wants or how to care for them in the basic sense

you are correct. it ties down to the degradation of marriage and to the way in which education attempts to feminize boys AND to the contrasting culture in which boys are supposed to remain boys until past 18