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New Satellite Data Contradicts Carbon Dioxide Climate Theory
Co2insanity.com ^ | 11/15/2011 · 8:11 AM ↓ Jump to Comments | John O’Sullivan

Posted on 11/28/2011 10:48:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Da Coyote

The ‘cure’ for higher CO2 emissions is PLANTS.

The whole ‘global warming’ thing was a fabrication (IMHO) in the first place in order to plunder the people for money and greater power. It wouldn’t be the first time that governments altered real results to acquire a means of control. A whole bunch of ‘law’ was passed based on those phoney results. Now that the laws exist, and they acquired the resources they wanted to acquire, the laws will stay until they need them again, and they will already be in place.

The purpose was acquisition and control of the world’s natural resources, and then to hoard them for the use of the elite at some later date for profit and power.


21 posted on 11/28/2011 11:29:31 AM PST by PrairieLady2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, that’s it. The data are in. Like it or not, the results are clear. Industrialized nations should colonize third world nation.

As our AGW friends like to say, the science is settled. Pith helmets on, and Tally Ho.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 11:29:47 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: Rinnwald

That would be “nations”.


23 posted on 11/28/2011 11:32:59 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: kidd

You are aware this line of reasoning kind of contradicts the other line popular among “climate change deniers” that the climate isn’t really changing?


24 posted on 11/28/2011 11:38:47 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: justlurking

Thanks for your stuff...


25 posted on 11/28/2011 12:01:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Sherman Logan

Show me one person that says climate isn’t changing.

And make sure you don’t confuse it with people who are saying that the climate isn’t changing due to human influence. Apples and oranges.

And please don’t use the term climate change “deniers” (a term most commonly associated with deniers of the hollocaust). It is an Alinsky-type tactic to appear to win an argument by shaming an opponent rather than dealing with the inconvenience of addressing actual facts. It betrays a lack of confidence in your position and it doesn’t work on Freepers. Frankly, I’m a bit surprised to see a Freeper use the term at all.


26 posted on 11/28/2011 12:05:09 PM PST by kidd
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To: Sherman Logan
Just shot yourself down. We came out of the Little Ice Age around 1850, so present warming is something like 650 years early.

Suggest you Google Medieval Warming period that occurred Circa 1,000-1300 A.D. or 650 Years before 1850.

27 posted on 11/28/2011 12:07:29 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: kidd

“Climate change denier” was used ironically. Which is why it had scare quotes.

A great many articles have been posted recently about how warming has stopped and/or reversed.

I take no position on these issues, I’m merely pointing out that if the CO2 increase is a result of the warming, then the stopping of the warming should result in a slowdown or reversal of the CO2 increase.

I am agnostic on “anthropogenic global warming.” We do not begin to understand the climate mechanisms thoroughly enough to predict climate out 50 to 500 years.

While it seems intuitively unlikely that large increases of CO2 will have zero effect, I suspect there are negative feedback mechanisms we haven’t found yet.

The more critical question is, “So what?”

Let us stipulate AGW is as critical an issue as the alarmists claim. Few of their “solutions” will do much of anything to solve the problem anyway. And none of those that might work have a hope of doing so without a worldwide government of unprecedented totalitarian authority.

Which “solution” I consider a great deal worse than the problem, even if it is as bad as claimed. Which I doubt.


28 posted on 11/28/2011 12:30:05 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

My uneducated guess:

Farming in industrialized nations is, well, industrialized....and the crops consume alot of CO2.

Farming in the third world - not so much. Compounded with burning dung for cooking, and clear cutting to grow soybeans for the Chinese, I am not surprised at this study.

Who knew, industrialization is ‘cleaner’ than ox carts and thunderpot toilets.


29 posted on 11/28/2011 12:33:13 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Army Air Corps; Genesis defender; golux; proud_yank; Bockscar; ...
Thanx for the ping Ernest_at_the_Beach & Army Air Corps !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

30 posted on 11/28/2011 12:38:51 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Here is a link to give you a hint about where CO2 goes.

CO2 flux in Canada 2008

31 posted on 11/28/2011 12:40:55 PM PST by BillM (.)
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To: Sherman Logan
If industrialization and fossil fuels have nothing to do with the increase, what's the alternative mechanism?

There are a number of alternative mechanisms.
Here are several.
Increased temperature has a greater effect on catabolic processes (bacterial activity, oxidation, etc.) which release CO2 from dead plant material than photosynthesis (which fixes carbon in living plant material). During a constant temperature regime, a climax tropical forest (jungle) is pretty much in steady state as far as fixing and releasing carbon. With increased temperature, it should lose biomass (ultimately as CO2) until it arrives at a different steady state.
I would think that the oxidation of thawing tundra would release large quantities of CO2 also. Both processes above are probably not as important to atmospheric CO2 levels as increase ocean surface temperatures on the exchange of CO2, as mentioned elsewhere.
32 posted on 11/28/2011 1:17:22 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Sherman Logan; kidd
Let us stipulate AGW is as critical an issue as the alarmists claim.

Why? It's not critical at all. The sky is not falling and to stipulate it is, is simply ludicrous.

Anyway, warming is far better than cooling for all life on this rock, IF we could control it.

Aztecs cut people hearts out, it didn't work then and it won't work now.

33 posted on 11/28/2011 2:16:41 PM PST by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well as one of your other posts today indicate. Canada is waking up to the reality. Looks like they are not going to sign into the Koyoto agreements in the near future. I suspect we shall see other nations follow suit in due time.


34 posted on 11/28/2011 3:00:54 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Hiddigeigei
Eloquently stated. What is your opinion if we tried to rate factors of the CO2 equation? Kind of a rating scale of intensities (or contributions to y, the level of atmospheric CO2 quantity). I'm just completely guessing at those numbers, but my hunch is that the contribution from humanity is very small in comparison to oceanic evaporation for example. Anyone have a way to correct this hypothesis? I mean, give or take some leeway between forests / oceans and volcanoes, but the estimate of anthropologic contribution is <= 1% of total overall carbon density in the atmosphere ... that is the real question. My calculus book at UNCC had a global warming equation that put CO2 concentration in the atmosphere at around 370ppm and increasing in a non-linear slope (simple quadratic x2 parabola). This cannot possibly be accurate because of existing positive and negative cycles in carbon concentration in the atmosphere. I'm thinking the equation has to be higher order, at least cubic.
35 posted on 11/28/2011 3:56:33 PM PST by gcraig (Freedom isn't free)
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To: gcraig

I don’t know what percent of atmospheric CO2 comes from human activity (or other processes), and I doubt if anyone does. When I see pictures of the White Cliffs of Dover or the eroding chalk cliffs of Rügen (as painted by Caspar David Friedrich in the first half of the 19th Century), it occurs to me that all that carbon was once in the atmosphere as CO2. As these cliffs and all the limestone mountains of the world erode (by decaying plant acids, acid rains, and other processes), huge quantities of CO2 are constantly released. Warming temperature probably increases the production of natural acids, and CO2 from other sources increases atmospheric sulfuric acid. Humans may have contributed to this by adding sulfuric acid to the atmosphere, but the CO2 exchange with warming oceans probably contributes more than anything else, human activities included. The AGW folks have the cart before the horse.


36 posted on 11/28/2011 8:16:17 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Sherman Logan
If industrialization and fossil fuels have nothing to do with the increase, what's the alternative mechanism?

Blondes.
If not blondes, What?

Silly way to argue anything.

37 posted on 11/28/2011 11:42:41 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

NO! NO! I’m melting.

Thanks Earnest. Latest post on nationalforestlawblog.com is the latest Newsweek. Is man made GW a hoax? Duh!

I have been in night school a lot to see if I want a science and a math degree. I learned I can teach my self a lot. Kinda of discovered I am a head of my IPCC peer group. I have enough here at the house and Amazon.com at my fingertips. I bought about a $1000+ in TEACHING Co. Courses to last a few years.

Keep me posted.

Thank you.


38 posted on 11/29/2011 4:10:45 PM PST by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

NO! NO! I’m melting.

Thanks Earnest. Latest post on nationalforestlawblog.com is the latest Newsweek. Is man made GW a hoax? Duh!

I have been in night school a lot to see if I want a science and a math degree. I learned I can teach my self a lot. Kinda of discovered I am a head of my IPCC peer group. I have enough here at the house and Amazon.com at my fingertips. I bought about a $1000+ in TEACHING Co. Courses to last a few years.

Keep me posted.

Thank you.


39 posted on 11/29/2011 4:11:06 PM PST by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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