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What's killing America? U.S. ranks 28th in life expectancy (lower than Chile and Greece) while it pays the MOST for health care

1 posted on 11/24/2011 8:45:24 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Maybe, we are being more honest in our reporting of deaths?


2 posted on 11/24/2011 8:48:14 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

We need to ration it better through ObamaCare. That will solve the problem.


3 posted on 11/24/2011 8:49:32 AM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

We report deaths of viable babies that don’t survive.


4 posted on 11/24/2011 8:51:57 AM PST by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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Obama"s Fault
6 posted on 11/24/2011 8:53:12 AM PST by slag (reelect nobody)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

What’s killing America?

Obama


7 posted on 11/24/2011 8:53:36 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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i don’t see people streaming into chile


8 posted on 11/24/2011 8:53:50 AM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I would say the widespread use of dangerous drugs probably ranks near the top.


9 posted on 11/24/2011 8:54:51 AM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The cost of healthcare in the United States is 62 percent higher than that in Switzerland,

Could excessive litigation have anything to do with it?
We have the best equipment and medicine, that's not cheap.
As for death rate, take one look at the number of morbidly obese people, druggies, alcoholics and other people who make absolutely no attempt to maintain themselves, especially in the less affluent sections.
I get the distinct impression that the Swiss on average are in better shape than Americans, please correct me if I'm wrong.

10 posted on 11/24/2011 8:56:29 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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"Mr Pearson said one reason prices are higher in the United States is that the healthcare system lacks what other countries have: an effective government mechanism that acts to keep prices down. "That's simply not there in the U.S. system. So it's a structural defect," he said."

I can't wait for costs to be cut by two thirds and our life expectancy to be at the very top after Obama care is enacted.

I crack myself up...

11 posted on 11/24/2011 8:56:29 AM PST by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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As long as a significant number of Americans continue to sit on their butts and eat until they develop measurable gravitational fields, this will be true. At 65, my last years health care cost was zero for medication and $150 for a quack doctor to look at me and tell me to go away. My future plan is to eat a little of what I like, drink a little whiskey, keep working, and die when I die. The problem isn’t with the system, it’s with the patients. And yes, some people catch bad breaks. Most however, sicken themselves.


12 posted on 11/24/2011 8:57:56 AM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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Fully reporting infant mortality accounts for a lot of it. If you’re sick or injured, you don’t give a freep about overall life expectancy, if you’re smart. You care about survival rates and longevity for your ailment or injury.

Whose premature babies live? Ours. Whose cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and AIDS patients live? Ours. Whose accident/shooting victims live? Ours.


14 posted on 11/24/2011 8:58:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (Thomas Sowell. Accept no substitutes!)
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There is also a "quality of life" issue that US medicine makes possible.

Last month I went to visit a an elderly member of my parish..73 years old, who was having a knee replaced. Some family members were already there, so I waited outside, and was talking to the nurse at the duty station. She told me that there wer 85 beds in that orth wing..they were 97% full, all were over 65, and the vast majority were in for hip and/or knee replacements. It's like gettign a new lease on life for these seniors..and there is nowhere else that's being done..

16 posted on 11/24/2011 8:59:43 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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So our life expectancy is about 78 years and is supposedly “well below” the average of the top country’s 79 years. A one year difference is “well below?” Are you freakin’ kidding me? With the size and eating habits of many Americans, I’m amazed we live an average of 78 years. Actually, I would bet if we took out Black Americans (life expectancy about 70 years), we’d top the lists..


19 posted on 11/24/2011 9:03:09 AM PST by driftless2
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It is LIFESTYLE!

NOT substandard healthcare!

Poor diet, lack of exercise, drug & alcohol abuse....


21 posted on 11/24/2011 9:05:36 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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The cost of healthcare in the United States is 62 percent higher than that in Switzerland, which has a similar per capita income and also relies substantially on private health insurance.

One of the many problems with our healthcare system is the government is deeply involved in all aspects of it....which drives up cost

Anybody on medicaid runs to the hospital or clinic with a running nose or less because it's not on their nickel....

Government refuses to reform tort laws so doctors do multiple expensive tests to simply CVA on insurance costs or lawsuits

Get government out of the picture and costs will be driven down...

22 posted on 11/24/2011 9:08:01 AM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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If you think back, healthcare costs were rising with inflation. But they didn’t really take off until clinton got into office. He didn’t manage to push hillarycare through, but they did manage to regulate and force a lot of extra expenses into the system.

For one thing, it was cheaper just to pay your doctor than it is to have forced insurance. Back then, it was just between you and your doctor. Now, it’s between you, your doctor, the insurance company, the lawyers, and the government regulators, and all those guys need to get paid. Doctors are getting paid less, and insurers more.

I couldn’t help noticing all those shiny new insurance buildings going up all over the place in the clinton years. Who was paying for that, and for all the expensive workers sitting in those offices?

That’s basically why healthcare has become unaffordable. As to the death rates, I suspect that someone is cooking the books.


25 posted on 11/24/2011 9:09:56 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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The US has a more diverse population than other large developed countries. Health care expenses and life expectancy are not distributed evenly across all demographic groups. In spite of what Obama believes, the correlation is not a positive one.

In many cases the life expectancy discrepancy can be attributed entirely to voluntary choices.

26 posted on 11/24/2011 9:09:58 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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In the US, children under two are included in our statistics.

This has been reported on ad nauseum, and the true answer always gets comes back out.

28 posted on 11/24/2011 9:10:59 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Big Farm and Big Pharma. Telling us what to eat and what to “cure” us when when we get sick from what we eat.


30 posted on 11/24/2011 9:14:05 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Articles like this make a lot of legitimate points, and there will be a lot of excellent posts here on this thread, too.

My general point is that statistical comparisons like this are nearly pointless because they don't take into account the meaningful differences from one country to another. Some countries, for example, have very low health care expenses because they simply don't pay for non-critical medical prodecures (and by this I mean these procedures help address a medical condition but don't necessarily extend someone's life) that we consider "routine" here in the U.S. Another Freeper made an excellent point about joint replacements, for example.

We also do a lot of medical procedures in this country that have nothing to do with treating a medical condition (most cosmetic surgery, for example).

And I'd point out that life expectancy figures -- even if they are accurate -- do not necessarily correlate directly to a country's quality of medical care. High mortality rates among young people due to accidents and crime, for example, will diminish overall life expectancy even in a country where it is common for people to live well into their 80s in a state of pretty good health. A young person who dies under these circumstances could very well end up in a morgue without ever setting foot in a hospital or doctor's office after the age of 5. So this type of unfortunate situation has almost no bearing on measuring the quality of medical care they received.

31 posted on 11/24/2011 9:14:13 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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