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Neutrino experiment repeat at Cern finds same result
BBC ^ | November 18, 2011 | Jason Palmer

Posted on 11/18/2011 5:58:38 AM PST by decimon

The team behind the finding in September that neutrinos may travel faster than light has carried out an improved version of their experiment - and found the same result.

If confirmed by other experiments, the find could undermine one of the basic principles of modern physics.

Critics of the first report had said that the long bunches of neutrinos used could introduce an error into the test.

The new work, posted to the Arxiv repository, used much shorter bunches.

It has been submitted to the Journal of High Energy Physics, but has not yet been reviewed by the scientific community.

The experiments have been carried out by the Opera collaboration - short for Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: stringtheory
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1 posted on 11/18/2011 5:58:39 AM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Operatic ping.


2 posted on 11/18/2011 5:59:09 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

We don’t serve your kind in here!


3 posted on 11/18/2011 6:06:41 AM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Panzerlied

A neutrino walks into a bar.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 6:07:55 AM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: decimon

The article mentions my biggest suspicion, which is the precise measurent of time for the departure and arrival. Syncing those clocks to that level of accuracy would be a real bear.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 6:13:44 AM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Panzerlied

And the bartender said, “Slow down. You move too fast. You’ve got to make the morning last.”


6 posted on 11/18/2011 6:14:44 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: Panzerlied

A proton walks into a bar and orders a bloody mary. The bartender says, “are you sure about that?” “I’m positive.”


7 posted on 11/18/2011 6:17:18 AM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: decimon

Perhaps they used the same mathematicians they use in balancing euro-budgets in Greece, Italy, Spain, etc. - most likely Harvard educated, like our treasury dept “geniuses”.


8 posted on 11/18/2011 6:27:12 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: decimon
But a consensus of scientists agreed that nothing could go faster than light so the science is settled despite what new experiments show ...isn't that right Al Gore?
9 posted on 11/18/2011 6:27:26 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: decimon

so, the fat lady sings


10 posted on 11/18/2011 6:33:42 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: The Great RJ
Simple solution ~ the speed of light is such and so in OUR UNIVERSE.

Neutrinos interact with little in OUR UNIVERSE.

So, maybe they're really in ANOTHER UNIVERSE with a different speed of light.

There ~ problem solved ~

11 posted on 11/18/2011 6:33:55 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: decimon

So, basically what this research is showing is that WARP speed travel is theoretically possible.

Hopefully we will meet the Vulcans before we find out there are Klingons around Uranus.


12 posted on 11/18/2011 6:37:11 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: decimon
and found the same result.

Have they taken conscientiousness, a variable, into the equation? Is this what they wanted to observe? Where there "disbelievers" attending during the experiment who wanted to observe an opposite result?

In other words, did they find Schroeder's cat ALIVE in the machine, because deep inside - they really wanted to?

13 posted on 11/18/2011 6:42:41 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: decimon

Before we start discussing how wrong Einstein was, these scientists first have to define ‘travel’, as in ‘traveling faster than light’.

The neutrinos aren’t traveling in the sense that they occupy space between point A to point B, which is what Einstein meant.

The neutrinos are jumping interdemensionally from A to B. Essentially, the neutrino is in two places at the same time. This is not traveling in the Einstein sense of travel. IMO


14 posted on 11/18/2011 6:43:25 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: decimon

Big deal. I’m so fast, I can turn off the light switch, and get under the covers before the lights go out.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 6:54:35 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: commish

I don’t know about that.. these neutrinos are only a fraction faster than the standard light speed.


16 posted on 11/18/2011 7:00:05 AM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: decimon

Neutrinos, they are very small.
They have no charge and have no mass
And do not interact at all.
The Earth is just a silly ball
To them, through which they simply pass,
Like dustmaids down a drafty hall
Or photons through a sheet of glass.

(John Updike, “Cosmic Gall”)


17 posted on 11/18/2011 7:04:24 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: decimon

So I am to understand then that, for example, the theory of gravity is just that? A theory? So much for the “laws” of physics then.


18 posted on 11/18/2011 7:04:36 AM PST by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder (actually it's sin))
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To: commish

19 posted on 11/18/2011 7:08:17 AM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: decimon

20 posted on 11/18/2011 7:09:30 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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