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COAL STRIKE ORDER STANDS, BUT PARLEYS RESUME TODAY; RUSSIANS GAIN AT LENINGRAD (11/16/41)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 11/16/41 | W.H. Lawrence, C.L. Sulzberger, George Axelsson, George Gallup, Ray Brock, Waldemar Hoeffding, more

Posted on 11/16/2011 4:54:14 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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THE NEWS OF THE WEEK IN REVIEW

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Course description, prerequisites and tuition information is available at the bottom of Homer’s profile. Also visit our general discussion thread
1 posted on 11/16/2011 4:54:18 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Advance on Moscow – Operations, 26 August-5 December 1941
The Mediterranean Basin
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941 – Major Japanese War Objectives and Planned Opening Attacks
2 posted on 11/16/2011 4:54:58 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Gordon W. Prange, At Dawn We Slept

3 posted on 11/16/2011 4:55:51 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
53,000 Told to Quit – 2-3
Invader is Stalled – 3-4
The International Situation – 3
Berlin Indicates Check in Crimea – 4-5
Major Sports Yesterday – 5
Nazis Find Winter in Formidable Foe – 6
Malaya Damage Claimed by Nazis – 7
Force of Canadians Reaches Hong Kong – 8
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on the War – 9-10
Strike Ban Urged by 3 Main Groups – 10
Ernst Says Movies Could End Censors – 10

The News of the Week in Review
Twenty News Questions – 11
Winter and Russians Rob Hitler of Victory – 12
The Nazi Tide Laps Against the Vital Caucasus (map) – 14
Caucasus Challenges German Might – 15-16
Goebbels Appeal a Startling Move – 16
Issues of Peace or War Now Raised with Japan (by Bertram D. Hulen) – 17
Answers to Twenty News Questions – 18

4 posted on 11/16/2011 4:57:20 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1941/nov41/f16nov41.htm

Germans lay siege to Sevastopol
Sunday, November 16, 1941 www.onwar.com

On the Eastern Front... German advances in the Crimea continue. Kerch falls to the Germans and Sevastopol is now being besieged. Near Moscow, some German advances are being reported.


5 posted on 11/16/2011 5:00:34 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sevastopol_%281941%E2%80%931942%29

Siege of Sevastopol (1941–1942)


6 posted on 11/16/2011 5:06:38 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting, and wrong, analysis of the superiority of the US Navy to the Japanese Navy. I believe at the war outset, and certainly with regard to Naval Aviation, you would have to score the Japanese combined Fleet as the more war ready, more capable Navy. Obviously that changed over the next three years.

On another note, heck of a time for the Japanese Emperor to go on a diet, not sure why that is even news. guy didnt look that big to me anyway.

Nice cartoon of the Japanese angel caricature. Thats one you wouldnt see in the NYT these days.


7 posted on 11/16/2011 5:12:37 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: abb
For an outstanding read, and particularly about the Crimean campaign my highest recommendation to the first hand account

http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Combat-Soldiers-Eastern-Studies/dp/0700611223/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321448799&sr=8-1

“in deadly combat” by Gottlob Bidderman, antitank gunner and officer in the German Army. His first hand account of the battle is particularly horrifying and detailed.

8 posted on 11/16/2011 5:17:19 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I wonder if it could get cold enough in Russia to cause equipment failures for the Germans?


9 posted on 11/16/2011 5:42:48 AM PST by fso301
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/month/thismonth/16.htm

November 16th, 1941

UNITED KINGDOM:

Destroyer HMS Tumult laid down.

Submarine HMS P-39commissioned. (Dave Shirlaw)

GERMANY: U-603, U-604 launched. (Dave Shirlaw)
U.S.S.R.: German forces continue their almost unimpeded advance through the Crimea. Kerch has fallen and Sevastopol is besieged with the Soviet resistance being very stubborn. Their advance on Moscow continues very slowly.

MEDITERRANEAN SEA: U-433 sunk at 2155hrs in the Mediterranean south of Malaga, Spain, in position 36.13N, 04.42W, after being damaged by depth charges and gunfire 25nm east of Gibraltar by the British corvette HMS Marigold. 6 dead and 38 survivors. (Dave Shirlaw)

COMMONWEALTH OF THE PHILIPPINES: Air Force USAFFE is redesignated the FEAF. (Marc Small)

AUSTRALIA: Brereton dispatched by MacArthur on a three-week, 11,500-mile jaunt to Rabaul, Port Moresby, Townsville, and Melbourne, to comply with Marshall’s directive of 30 SEP 41 regarding use of airfields in British Empire areas.

U.S.A.: Destroyer USS Howorth laid down. (Dave Shirlaw)


10 posted on 11/16/2011 6:02:00 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: beebuster2000

The Japanese Navy was also better equipped: The Zero, the Kate, the Long Lance torpedo, superior submarines. And they were MUCH better trained for night fighting [pre-radar], as we were soon to find out.


11 posted on 11/16/2011 7:43:08 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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to say nothing of ability to launch coordinated naval air attacks from multiple flight decks, something the USN would not learn how to do for some time.

we did have one thing, and it was huge: code breaking.


12 posted on 11/16/2011 9:12:45 AM PST by beebuster2000
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There is some evidence out there that the Japanese had broken some of our diplomatic codes as well. Much of what existed was destroyed however and it is impossible to figure out to what degree they had access to our own communications. If the Japanese were reading our diplomatic codes at this time, then our code breaking progress between the two nations at this moment would be a wash since we are only reading PURPLE at this point. The JN-25 code is only is being worked on, but we are only having limited success right now and the code will be changed on December 1st erasing some of that progress made. It wont be until early next year that we make the real breakthrough on the Japanese naval codes.

It is known that older U.S. diplomatic codes (Gray from the 1920s, and Brown from the 30s) were broken by the Japanese. To what degree, if any, that we used these codes in the early 40s I couldn’t say without doing some research which unfortunately, I just don’t have time to do at the moment.


13 posted on 11/16/2011 10:19:39 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Sauron was just trying to get his land back.)
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14 posted on 11/16/2011 10:20:52 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Sauron was just trying to get his land back.)
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thanks. been reading “we slept at dawn” along with the thread here. cant help but be impressed with rocheforts crew and the intel they managed to assemble by monitoring the Japanese traffic.

also impressive is the degree to which the Japanese were able to disguise that traffic, and the level of detail and planning that went into the Japanese concealment effort.

one of the most intersting things i read: the FBI was tapping all the phones of suspected Japanese spies and monitoring the calls back to Japan. One in particular was reporting on “flowers” and other stuff. this agent correctly figured out that this was a report on naval activity and in fact pretty much called the Dec 7 attack based on his work,

but no one really would listen. combined with rocheforts report that he had lost the location of the jap carriers, and other intel from decoded messages in DC, it all sounds like 9-11 failure to connect the dots. in the retrospectoscope there was plenty of evidence when and where the japs would attack.

its still unbelievable that they managed to arrive off hawaii totally undetected.

15 posted on 11/16/2011 12:12:19 PM PST by beebuster2000
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The bulk of the journey that the Japanese fleet took was off of normal shipping lanes so as large as the Pacific is, I’m not really surprised that the fleet covered that distance without being detected. However, once they began getting close to Pearl, the fact that the reconnaissance, that they were charged to do, was so poorly conducted that it failed to detect the fleet, and failed to have the proper channels in place when they detected the aircraft coming in is almost inexcusable.

The Japanese were very effective with their deception methods that they employed in covering their tracks leading up to the attack. Even their assemble area played a role in this. Just as the Japanese were asking for reports on the locations of American ships, we were trying to do the same thing in return though we had next to nothing as far a men on the ground in Japan so the task was far more difficult. Assembling at Hitokappu Bay eliminated even the slightest possibility of a HUMINT discovery because of its severe remoteness.

A good article on the Japanese radio deception was written by R.J. Hanyok called “Blinded by the Rising Sun: Japanese Radio Deception Before Pearl Harbor”. I’m not sure if you can get it online, but if you want it, Freepmail me your address and I’ll send it your way.


16 posted on 11/16/2011 5:38:48 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Sauron was just trying to get his land back.)
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To: CougarGA7

interesting. thanks

one other detail in the book, among many really clever Japanese preparations, was having a couple merchantmen ships run the route in reverse from Hawaii to Japan days before, scouting. they reported not a single ship along the planned route.

japanese also brought in sailors to replace the crews on the raid, and had them take shore leave so locals didnt notice any difference in number of blue uniforms walking around. really detailed planning.


17 posted on 11/16/2011 8:15:39 PM PST by beebuster2000
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