Posted on 11/06/2011 10:03:09 PM PST by Kevmo
Media eCat Story Evolves
admin on November 6, 2011 — 27 Comments
The number of media organisations dipping toes into the eCat story continues to grow. From Fox to MSNBC and the UK’s Daily Mail to Wired UK, Forbes and more.
Wired was there before most and now they’ve updated their view, mirroring many of the questions informed skeptics have been asking for some time.
Reserving judgement, they nevertheless note that much of the coverage appears to be softening and wonder if AP is holding back for the bigger story to come. They note the dearth of substantial coverage in the mainstream but voice that and their views on Rossi in positive tones.
A shift is on the horizon. It would not take much for that shift to become a slide – a solid link identifying a credible customer or a qualified and independent observer breaking cover. There is a profusion of potential breakpoints and it is only a matter of time before something breaks. One thing seems likely – as journalists begin to see through the superficial certainty of those screaming Fraud, they are probably the canaries signaling a hidden change among potential investors, genuinely open scientists and cautious sceptics who recognise that there is more to this tale than the artificial noise suggests.
We all know that we do not have the proof required but the complex contortions required to construct a cohesive narrative that does not involve the possibility that Rossi is telling the truth are becoming as incredulous as that simple possibility. An interested person new to the subject and curious enough to peek through the preconception of junk science might be fooled by the contention stirred by a handful of commenters but more are sneaking through and thinking for themselves. Despite the lie that sites such as eCatNews.com are dominated by believers, the ranks of those taking a hopeful stance while waiting for real proof is growing.
The true voice of reason is becoming stronger.
You need one from the movies. Not only do they detect radiation, they work on Zombis!
A combination Geiger counter/zombie detector! Awesome!
I just love multi-use devices.
;-)
Keep this up and they’re going to find WW curled up in a fetal position.
The truth is, you’ll never know when you might need it!
The hydrogen fuel-cell excitement was just heating up when I was in graduate school, and I followed those discussions on Free Republic, as well. As I recall, many more people were convinced that hydrogen fuel cells were the next big energy revolution. Ten years later, where is the fuel-cell revolution?
Unlike LENR and hydrinos, the fuel cells are not a scam. The only problem with them is that it takes as much or more energy to produce the fuel for them than they deliver, making them essentially energy storing devices, not energy producing devices. Still, they had their share of fans, and watching the LENR debates now is somewhat reminiscent of watching the fuel cell debates ten years ago.
What’s wrong with Wired?
***I have no idea. Maybe that magazine is on double secret probation.
Yup. I’m running across quite a few articles written in Italian that don’t translate well at all. This sentence is minor compared to them.
Rossi does not care about dispelling doubts. He cares about selling units. So the 2 words for you to translate are ‘bowl’ and ‘sheet’.
Since Kevmo is only posting the “puff” pieces about Rossi,
***Bowl Sheet.
How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts
Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement?
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:35:30 PM · by Kevmo · 7 replies
Vortex-L ^ | Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:03:15 -0700 | Akira Shirakawa
Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement?
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:35:30 PM · by Kevmo · 7 replies
Vortex-L ^ | Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:03:15 -0700 | Akira Shirakawa
Andrea Rossi’s Petroldragon Story
(as found on the website of Rossi’s enemy)
Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23:59 PM · by Kevmo · 170 replies
New Energy Times ^ | August 20111 | Translation by Alex Passi and Domenico Pozzetti
Grappling with Whether the E-CAT is a fraud
Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:13:45 PM · by Kevmo · 101 replies
Energy from Thorium ^ | May-June 2011 | Various
Rossi would include highly specific details of the testing methodology employed so that other researchers (his peers) may duplicate his results.
***Yeah, like Brian Ahern
Brian Ahern getting 8 Watts for over four days of operation in a Low Energy Nuclear Process
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2735933/posts
Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:28:27 PM · by Kevmo · 133 replies
Next Big Future ^ | June 13 2011 | Brian Ahern
I also expect him to drag this out for at least a year before doing so,
***We’ve heard this before. There was the full squawking expectation that the October 28 demo would be postponed for 2 months, but that didn’t happen.
If Heffner’s results are accurate (and I haven’t seen any reason to doubt his work up to this point),
***That’s because it’s a new entry. There was already some discussion of this before Heffner posted his ‘theory’.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard?
Jed Rothwell
Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:44:09 -0700
Peter Heckert wrote:
You are in error. There was a time when I believed. (After analyzing the Essen Kullander demo)
I do not see how anyone can believe that and disbelieve the Oct. 6. I thought the latter was much more convincing.
When I see it output 470 kW energy and heat at the dissipators then I still dont believe, then I know ;-)
If you think the E&K demonstration is real then it stands to reason the big machine must be real. The individual reactors in the large demonstration are not putting out more power than they did during desktop tests. Why assume this is fake when the smaller tests were clearly real?
It is not as if Rossi has become more controversial since E&K. His credibility is no worse than it was back then.
I was a little surprised it worked so well. I feared it might be difficult to coordinate so many units, or there might be a problem with a steam pipe getting plugged up or one of the machines overheating. I feared there might be an accident. I was relieved to hear that they ran at moderate temperatures and low pressure.
I never thought it could not work in principle. If one reactor can produce 4 or 8 kW, it stands to reason that 100 can produce 470 kW. Why would anyone here who believes the smaller tests suddenly think the big one is fake? That makes no sense.
For that matter, why would anyone think the Krivit test was fake? I do not understand why people think Rossi would go to the trouble to make a real system and a fake one too. If he has one that works he will use it every time. The big reactor was clearly made up of an array of the smaller ones. Anyone can see those were not fake boxes. If one works, why shouldn’t they all???
- Jed
It occurs to me that one of the arguments used by Rossi’s fans is that Rossi couldn’t find qualified “shills” to appear as “customer representatives” to help him fake his October 28th test.
But I’ll bet the Mafia (for lack of a better word) could.
***Geez, where do you come up with this nonsense?
There’s no particular reason to believe that the customer even exists.
***There’s no particular reason to believe that the customer does not exist.
Blacklight Power (Randell Mill’s hydrino company) have preceded Rossi’s Ni/H scheme by more than 2 years and it amounted to nothing. It is quite revealing that fanboy Kevmo never referred to the hydrino scheme.
***You just haven’t been keeping up.
TESTING VALIDATES HYDRINO THEORY
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2645159/posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 1:24:08 AM · by Kevmo · 115 replies · 2+ views
The American Reporter ^ | December 19, 2010 | Joe Shea
A model for enhanced fusion reaction in a solid matrix of metal deuterides
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:14:09 PM · by Kevmo · 35 replies
International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008 ^ | July 2008 | K P Sinha
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2732072/posts
The so-called “proof” by Rossi’s fanboys that the process in Rossi’s reactors is LENR by comparing the energy output per unit mass of hydrogen with comparable chemical reactions has been used by the hydrino fanboys about 2 years ago. And Rossi’s fanboys never acknowledged their stealing their “proof” from the hydrino fanboys.
***Again, you haven’t been keeping up.
Tunneling Beneath the 4He Fragmentation Energy
J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 4 (2011) pages 241–255 ^ | February 2011 | K P Sinha
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2743039/posts
Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 10:45:05 PM by Kevmo
J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 4 (2011) pages 241–255
About as ridiculous as the common speculation by the Rossi fans
***That speculation comes from the web page of one of Rossi’s enemies. If both the friends and enemies agree to a certain set of facts, then those are the facts on the ground.
It is here, now. It is commercially viable. Rossi SOLD his unit to his customer, who packed it up and carted it away. The latest WIRED magazine article says he has 13 customers now.
By the way, when you say “having said Cold Fusion has been proven “ it is a distortion of what I’ve been saying, a straw argument, because I’ve been saying that I actually hope it will end up being a chemical reaction; hence, no NRC oversight.
There’s no particular reason to believe that the customer even exists.
It occurs to me that one of the arguments used by Rossi’s fans is that Rossi couldn’t find qualified “shills” to appear as “customer representatives” to help him fake his October 28th test.
But I’ll bet the Mafia (for lack of a better word) could.
***Your conspiracy theory widens by the day.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2800077/posts
Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos.
Did he convince a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam?
Has he convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow?
Who arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam.
Was he certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table? He has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!)
In order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off.
I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .
Sterling Allan
November 7th, 2011 at 8:35 AM
I’ve created an index page listing mainstream coverage of the Rossi E-Cat.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Mainstream News:Andrea Rossi’s LENR E-Cat
So far we have:
- Wired
- Popular Science
- Discovery
- CBS News
- Fox
- Washington Times
- PhysOrg
- Slashdot
- Yahoo News
- Daily Mail
- MSNBC
- LiveScience
- EE Times
- Falls Church News Press
- NyTeknik
- Physics Procedia
- Agoravox
- Energy Digital
- Gizmodo
- Renewable Energy World
- TechNewsWorld
- Times of India
- Motherboard
- Corante
- Tecca
- Mother Nature Network
- Zerohedge
- TechEye
- Repubblica
- CNews R&D
And appropriate to its name, the first was: Next Big Future
I should also mention that the people at Wikipedia decided to go ahead and keep the Energy Catalyzer page, after putting it up for delection last week.
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