Posted on 11/02/2011 9:38:04 AM PDT by Kevmo
Does Rossi's E-Cat Work? There is Only One Way to Find Out
Written by Brian Westenhaus Wednesday, 02 November 2011 13:38
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The past few days have seen the Rossi E-Cat reported in both news and blogs, with still no definitive answer if the device actually works. The process of introducing the device to the market is stirring up lots of controversy .
So, how does one decide if the device is for real or not? Go to Bologna with money in hand and buy one. If you need heat production cheap that’s a palatable answer. Chances are you will get what you paid for .
This does not stop the controversy. The story now is the controversy itself. Some, one Stephen Krivits who is now out in front, are making claims that seem every bit as misleading as a fraudster’s. That sort of personal choice is using an earned station to attract more attention. There should be a calculated risk in Krivits’ position – that a proof of E-Cat failure would bring some appreciation, or that a success would bring derision. Without personal acquaintance with Krivits one cannot know the motivation. A certainty is Krivits opinion isn’t better informed than anyone else, thus his opinion is worthless .
Al Fin, Bless ‘em, said, “It is fascinating that so many people want to put themselves on record on either one side or the other, when the obvious rational thing for most people — most outsiders — to do is to wait for more information. Unless you have money or reputation on the line here, there is no need to declare a strong opinion one way or the other — if you have no inside knowledge.”
The closely watching reporters are offering news that Mr. Rossi has sold more units. The buyer’s names are also being kept quiet. Whether or not the sales have consummated is of little consequence, what matters are the E-Cats get installed, run and after a few months the customers are happy. Obviously customers are not looking for public relations expenses dealing with hounding questioners, they seek low cost heat. There will be plenty of time later to bask in leadership to a new energy economy. When the credibility threshold is mounted, a company will want to be there with an E-Cat system running .
There is also the prospect that some firms will buy an E-Cat both for the leadership opportunity as well as the energy savings. That sets up the prospect that the definitive proof won’t come from Rossi or a proponent – we may hear of a firm whose E-Cat experience meets or exceeds that original specification. Perhaps that will accompany a new lower priced better product .
That kind of scenario isn’t going to make world headlines. It will sell lots of E-Cats, which is the whole point. Customers will be a step closer to more cost competitive goods, and the competition will have to adapt .
All this simply puts facility managers, planners and designers on notice. What those folks need to get done is to get on the list at Rossi’s firm and start the process of getting past the defensive wall there to be on the inside for the due diligence needed for assessing the risks and costs for buying an E-Cat for a plant. Heaven forbid a competitor getting one first, especially if the process heat an E-Cat makes is a major cost in production expense .
There is little prospect that there will be a major world headline one day that says “The Rossi E-Cat Works!”
But there is getting to be very high probabilities that one day soon we’ll be able to buy stuff made with E-Cats providing the manufacturing energy .
The greatest interest is the one-megawatt E-Cat specifications. That would do more than anything to push the progress along. We’ll need to know a lot more than making one megawatt, what the temps are, the state of the heat, the rates, required supplies, and all the other bits that make an informed decision .
That’s what to look for. And your humble writer is very interested is seeing them .
By. Brian Westenhaus
Source: How to Know if the Rossi E-Cat is Real
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Does-Rossi-s-E-Cat-Work-There-is-Only-One-Way-to-Find-Out.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2800077/posts
Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .
". . . IF. . ."
Proof of your allegations? Do YOU have any at all? Do you have ANY IDEA what your claims of scam would have COST to have staged? All for a dubious return?
". . . IF. . ."
Proof of your allegations? Do YOU have any at all? Do you have ANY IDEA what your claims of conspiracy would have COST to have staged? All for a dubious return?
This makes it really sound like a scam to me.
I can’t show you how it works or even if it really works, but if you give me cash I will sell it to you and you can confirm it for yourself.
Reportedly, the first customer conducted acceptance testing before handing over the money. Once these customers start to reveal themselves, we will know more. I'd REALLY like to know the identities of these customers.
I can’t show you how it works or even if it really works
***The October 28 test was all about showing his customer that it works to the standard agreed, and the customer forked over cash as a result.
Proving this is a fraud is simple now, because Rossi is going to be selling the devices.
I see you understand how far-fetched the conspiracy theory is becoming.
So, in other words, asking Rossi for adequate peer review is like asking you for concise, well-written sentences?
Who was the customer? How much did he spend? Did he sign an NDA?
Maybe you should read the post directly before yours. It is a concise, well-written sentence. Most of my posts are. What you fail to realize is that in post #1 I’m pulling a quote from another article.
Rossi is not a scientist, so we won’t be getting much in the way of peer review, especially since his peers refused to publish his findings because they were deemed impossible.
So Rossi is in the process of proving the technology by selling it to satisfied buyers. He claims to have lined up 2 more.
The first ecat was hauled away by truck, but noone thought to tail it to the destination?
The name of only one is disclosed.
The one whose name we know is Ampenergo, an Ohio company which appears to exist only as a website and whose known employees are all former associates of Rossi's in previous, unsuccessful business ventures.
Rossi said that Ampenergo would receive its first shipment of E-Cats last month, but then had to cancel the shipment due to "contractual difficulties."
The second, anonymous, customer allegedly attended a secret demonstration of the technology last week and immediately put in an order.
It really is impossible for a scam to get fishier than this one.
Customer is preferring to remain secret. I think he paid 2MEuros for the 1MW device. Rossi signed an NDA.
I know. Frustrating.
This is sounding more real, if he is actually selling.
LOL, did you guys work that out ahead of time?
(Sword, I think this is the first time I have seen you post on an E-cat thread, you would have to read the last 20 or so threads to get understand why your post gets a chuckle from me.)
Either that or Kevmo has become a seagull! LOL.
But... don’t hit it just yet. ;-)
I’ve had much better luck when I just hit it, and let the pieces fall as they will. :)
Impossible? Or unsubstantiated by the evidence he presented?
BTW, your tagline translates as "Let the 'lurkor' beware for himself ye watch."
Your English translation would actually read "Judicaret spectator se ipso."
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