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The ECAT Floodgates Open! Now what will come out?
Vanity ^ | 10/31/11 | Liberty1970

Posted on 10/31/2011 11:18:45 AM PDT by Liberty1970

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To: Liberty1970
You seem to have a bit of an obsession with that 'magic box' link. Why does it strike you as being relevant?

It's relevant to your vanity, in particular the part of your vanity that I quoted.

21 posted on 10/31/2011 12:04:43 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
I annoy both sides. The hardened skeptics are upset that I don't share their conclusion and take every bit of data as proof its all a fraud. And the true believers are annoyed I don't put a positive spin on everything. You can read my article above and my middle-of-the-road position is as plain as day. I said back in June that 'my baloney meter is stuck at 50%' on this subject and it remains so to this day.

I will admit, however, to being more annoyed at the hardened skeptics than at the true believers. The reasons for this are complex, but partly involve my frustration at the often specious reasoning used by those who seem to think they are smarter than everyone else.

22 posted on 10/31/2011 12:05:21 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Daddy to Lily Ann, born 3:50 AM, 10/15/11, 9 lb/4 oz. of joy!)
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To: Hodar
With winter on the way - if it’s nothing more than an efficient means to heat a factory - that alone may be worth the cost of buying one.

I would like to see one used to heat an apartment complex, mall or office building for the winter. Just install it in an independent location and let it run.

23 posted on 10/31/2011 12:09:47 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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24 posted on 10/31/2011 12:20:42 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Liberty1970

My guess is that, if it works, that the potential buyers will sit on it and continue to sell their more profitable energy producing products.


25 posted on 10/31/2011 12:20:55 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: Liberty1970

I would sure like someone to explain the iron powder that was present in his “used” nickel powder.


26 posted on 10/31/2011 12:23:41 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: boycott

doubt it. what they will do is try to find a legal means to prevent others from building and selling what they themselves want to build and sell.

There are too many people who want this to be true, that’s why I am skeptical.


27 posted on 10/31/2011 12:34:56 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: boycott

“My guess is that, if it works, that the potential buyers will sit on it and continue to sell their more profitable energy producing products.”

If it works, there is a billion dollar plus advance waiting for him from any one of twenty companies for US distribution rights.


28 posted on 10/31/2011 12:35:48 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: mamelukesabre
I would sure like someone to explain the iron powder that was present in his “used” nickel powder.

That or the copper, which has the same ratio of isotopes as natural copper.

As a side note, Rossi claims in his patent application that fission also occurs in the ecat.

29 posted on 10/31/2011 12:38:20 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: USNBandit

“One possible way to tell if E-Cat is real or not is to look at funding. If he secured a loan from the U.S. DOE, then it is definitely a fraud. :)”

Not necessarily a fraud. But it is certainly way too expensive to produce energy that competes with fossil fuel.


30 posted on 10/31/2011 12:43:37 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Liberty1970
FYI, Rossi is now offering to sell E-Cat devices to anyone who's interested:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516&cpage=6#comment-107295

I look forward to reading the reviews of whoever receives their E-Cat device first.

31 posted on 10/31/2011 12:47:45 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Moonman62

well, I don’t believe physicist and nuclear chemists know everything. Just because they can’t explain how it could be possible doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.

But the iron powder is curious. Rossi never mentioned iron being involved. I think either Rossi is very clever for throwing in a little iron just to throw people off, or he just isn’t all that bright and really has no idea how his device works.


32 posted on 10/31/2011 12:48:15 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Hodar
I think he's packaged it as a heating system "boiler". With the world getting very near to replacing ALL incandescent and fluorescent lights with Light Emitting Diodes that can last 300,000 hours between changes, there's going to be plenty of demand for heating units that can cheaply substitute for the lost secondary heat source composed of lighting.
33 posted on 10/31/2011 12:48:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mamelukesabre
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Kirkinskiifusionreac.pdf ~ one of a number of pieces that deal with the existence of iron in the residue ~ or in the initial processing bodies.

Iron Hydride is also a possible source. Folks who know batteries can work with that a bit if they want.

34 posted on 10/31/2011 12:54:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
cheaply substitute for the lost secondary heat source composed of lighting

You are 100% correct. When you consider the sheer number of watts in a typical building that were expended for lighting; then consider that 60-90% of that power was transferred to heat; I wonder how many buildings are going to be so inefficient due to the loss of the secondary heating units, that the primary heating unit can no longer maintain (or inefficiently maintain) comfortable heating levels. I'd venture a guess that the yearly energy bill for these buildings will actually go 'up'.

35 posted on 10/31/2011 12:56:57 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Moonman62
BTW Moonman62, let's say "somebody" got here first ~ billions of years back ~ and brought their LENR devices with them. Assume they set them up for large scale power production, and they sat in place for a very long time (while, perhaps, rare substances were mined).

All that waste copper would be left right there in circular heaps ~ kind of like we find copper ore these days.

The product of this ancient but otherwise typical LENR power unit would most likely produce "ash" that has the same ratio of isotopes as we find in a more recent device of similar design.

Hmm ~ you come up with such great questions that lead instantly to "ANCIENT ALIENS" material. I'll have to add that one to my collection!

36 posted on 10/31/2011 1:01:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Liberty1970

For a scam this story has legs...


37 posted on 10/31/2011 1:01:59 PM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: ModelBreaker

And the fan blades they’d force him to add to his units ~ they’d be huge ~ and very dangerous that close to the ground!


38 posted on 10/31/2011 1:03:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: justlurking; Liberty1970
Yes, if it produces heat it can produce electricity. It should be a trivial exercise.

But for some reason Rossi is willing to utilize huge systems to carry away heat rather than build a steam generator that would let him export that heat as electricity. He should be able to buy something close to what he needs and modify it for his purpose. But he hasn't.

But I'm patient. I want him to succeed. I await the day that Rossi lights up Times Square with his gizmo - but it may be a long wait.

But there is something about the way this technology is being "sold" that just doesn't feel right.

39 posted on 10/31/2011 1:05:52 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: muawiyah

only in cold climates

in warm climates, everyone will have AC units way too big.

btw, electronics are becoming more efficient(less waste heat
) also. I’ve been wondering when someone will invent a clothes dryer that uses microwave radiation from a magnetron instead of combustion or electric heating element.


40 posted on 10/31/2011 1:13:09 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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