Rebuttal to Krivit's Accusation that Andrea Rossi is a Fraudster

Pure Energy Systems ^ | Oct 30 2011 | Sterling Alan

[Kevmo]

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[Kevmo]

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[Olog-hai]

The priest speaketh.

[Moonman62]

The E-Cat technology is the real deal. No reasonable person who has been keeping up with the events of this year can say otherwise, unless they have an agenda.

I guess exposing all the warning signs of fraud is an agenda.

[bradylee]

How about less talk, more do? Every time I’ve done something that hasn’t been done before (water into wine, iPod, etc.) I make it work FIRST and THEN I show it to all my friends.

I wish this potentially world-changing technology the absolute best of luck but I’m just saying these people sound like nutjobs to me....

[abigkahuna]

I have been following the e-cat since it first popped up on the radar here and elsewhere. Through the years I have held an interest in over unity generators and other such “alternative energy systems”.

What to make of e-cat? I want it to work. Heck, who wouldn’t? Is it a scam? Sure, it could be a great scam. Could Rossi be mistaken, and the “machine” not actually doing what he claims is doing? Certainly.

But, I think of Edison and the Wright Brothers who tinkered and tinkered with ideas and materials until they achieved the desired results. These were inventors and maybe Rossi is an inventor too.

One can invent something and not know exactly “how” it works, only that it does.

I hope to see an e-cat on every corner before I pass on. It would be nice to take advantage of a new power source. Think how liberating it could be for Third World Countries, to have a relatively inexpensive power source. Think of the industry that it could power. I think we are on the verge of something and if it isn’t Rossi, then it will be someone just like him. Someone who will market the product before statists regulate it to death. Because the statists do not want man to be free—it makes their job all that harder.

So, I hope Rossi can pull it off, I really do.

[bigbob]

I’ve never seen any motive for Rossi to lie or fake data. He’ll be disgraced and never make any money off of ECAT if it’s proven that he’s a fraud, so why risk it. Global Warming - now that was a fraud! Because there were millions of dollars in research grants at stake, and those perpetrating the fraud had everything to gain by doing so.

I’m content to let Rossi and his customer test the ECAT and in the end, we will all know the truth. Why should anyone rush to point fingers or make unprovable accusations now?

[dsc]

“I’m content to let Rossi and his customer test the ECAT and in the end, we will all know the truth. Why should anyone rush to point fingers or make unprovable accusations now?”

Okay, those are good points. My question, speaking as a dumkopf, is this: if he has it and it works, where is it? Why doesn’t he just show everybody and shut the critics up?

[saganite]

Sterling Allen runs a loony web site dedicated to zero point energy. Not the best spokesman for Rossi IMHO.

[Moonman62]

I found this interesting from Krivit's article:

On Jan. 20, 2011, when I had an open mind and assumed the best of Rossi, he wrote to me, “You help me now; I will help you forever.” He offered to fly me over to Italy, and I told him that was wrong, I could not accept his offer. He then offered to drive four hours round-trip to pick me up at Milan airport, and I told him no, I’ll take the train down to Bologna. Eventually, I agreed to let him buy me a sandwich and pay for a taxi ride back to my hotel.

At the very least, Rossi's fans are being compensated with expenses paid trips to Italy.

[count-your-change]

Alan wrote this on his blog site:

“I think they are premature to enter into territorial licensing. They first need to demonstrate a stable device in which the output power is able to stably keep the device operating, while providing stable output power – or better yet, governable output power to respond to the load requirements, up to a certain maximum amount as specified by the engineering. Yes, all that requires money to characterize and optimize, but the money should not come from license sales, it should come from investment in which the risks are understood; not from license contracts with expectations of product delivery.”

But that wasn't written about the E-Cat, rather about some “free energy” machine called an “angular force generator” back in May 3, 2010.

Still Rossi said he will be hiring in the U.S. so maybe Alan will be able to “establish a business relationship” yet.

[Johnny B.]

Kevmo, at least be fair and post a link to the original article being rebutted here.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/

Here are a couple other links to Krivit articles with more information:

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/28/energy-catalzyer-extraordinary-scams-require-extraordinary-claims/

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3742appendix37.shtml

[exDemMom]

- If the technology did not work, his systems would not be able to be producing (for example in this most recent test) hundreds of kilowatts of output with almost zero input -- for several hours -- while cooling water is running through them! This is impossible .

We'll just ignore the generator that remained hooked up to the eCat for the test... And I'm not convinced by the rhetorical questions about why Rossi would risk his reputation on being found out as a fraud. Con men never worry about reputations; they just care about getting their hands on your money!

[aruanan]

When I think of Krivit, I think of this:

Academic Background
1981-1982 Industrial design coursework
University of Bridgeport, Bridgeport, Connecticut
1988 B.S., Business Administration/Information Systems
National University, San Diego, California

And author of such gems as:

Carbon dioxide is the greatest culprit. It is odorless and invisible; for the most part, it does its damage without our awareness. Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses collect in the upper part of the Earth's atmosphere and remain trapped there. When solar radiation passes through the Earth's atmosphere, most of this radiation is absorbed by the earth's surface. However, some of the solar radiation is reflected back to the atmosphere. Odinarily, part of this radiation would continue onward to outer space, and part would be reflected back to earth.

However, as a blanket of green house gasses accumulates in the upper atmosphere, it absorbs the wavelengths of reflected radiation and converts it into thermal energy. The gasses remains [sic] trapped, upsetting the delicate energy balance as the Earth makes its yearly journey around the sun, and contributing to an increase in global temperature worldwide.

The guy was way behind the curve on CO2 in 2004. I'm not convinced of his expertise on something so non-mainstream as low energy nuclear reactions.

[fightinJAG]

What warning signs?

Did you read the article?

[Johnny B.]

Part of that is because I am privy to some confidential information about an independent validation by a very credible institution that starts with an N .

Oh, goodie! More "secret" information that is supposed to prove to everyone that this is real.

I would not entirely rule out Steve's accusations of fraud; but I personally find that extremely unlikely. I give it a 1% probability just because I have fooled before by people I thought were genuine but who turned out to be scammers.

So, he's been successfully conned before, but this time it's different.

I don't have a problem with Rossi's experience with the Petrol Dragon. He was set up by the Italian Mafia because he wouldn't let them get involved in his company. They were behind all of that harassment he received, and from which he was exonerated. I would imagine there is something similar behind the gold trafficking situation as well .

A link to any exonerating evidence would be nice. Rossi's convictions and prison time are waved away with the author "imagining" that there must be exonerating evidence, although he apparently doesn't know of any.

My personal experience through phone and email with Steven Krivit is that he is an extremely difficult person to get along with. Cantankerous. Doesn't even try to be friendly. That tells me that today's hit piece is most likely just a function of a bad personality acting out (85% probability). That leaves 1% probability that Krivit is actually right, and a margin of 2% for other scenarios. I could be wrong. I'm certainly human .

So, we're supposed to ignore Rossi's well-documented personality problems, but it's OK to use the author's claim of Krivit having personality issues as an attack against him.

The recent test of the one megawatt plant showed operation in a self sustaining mode for five and a half hours.

So says Rossi. We don't have any actual evidence of this. All we have is Rossi's claim, and his claim that his "secret company" was satisfied with the test.

Andrea Rossi knows the technology works,

So says Rossi. He claims to have heated his factory for six months on a single "fueling", but he hasn't been able (or willing) to publicly demonstrate the system working for more than a few hours.

If the technology did not work, why would he have sold his stake in Leonardo Technologies Inc., properties in Italy, and eventually his home in Florida to finance his work.

Some cynics have suggested that he's liquidating any assets that could be traced back to him.

If the technology did not work, Defkalion and the very credible board of directors would not be so eager to renew their relationship with Rossi .

Thanks for telling us that they are "very credible". From everything I've read, it appears that Defkalion came into existence the same month that Rossi went public with his E-Cat. Their website (http://defkalion-energy.com/) doesn't seem to have any actual information about the company. I would be fascinated to know who theses "very credible" board of directors actually are.

It seems obvious to me, that they are extremely jealous of how much energy the E-Cat can produce .

I guess it's impossible that the critics are critical because they see all the signs of a scam being perpetrated. And, of course, the Mafia would never interfere with someone who might be muscling in on their business (which is not cold fusion research).

I am seeking a business relationship with Andrea Rossi.

This is the same guy who admits at the beginning of the article that he has been successfully conned before. I guess some things never change.

[fightinJAG]

As the author pointed out, Rossi has sunk large amounts of his own money into this invention, including selling his home to pay for demonstrations and tests, which Rossi has funded himself.

I agree with the author that a con man uses other people’s money. He doesn’t use up his own savings and sell his own home to finance a scam.

Doesn’t mean there can’t be some sloppiness or even deception in the process. But an outright scam — i.e, absolutely no there there — seems unlikely at this point.

[fightinJAG]

All that would do is help his competitors (another point which proves this is unlikely to be a scam — other people are frantically trying to soak up any details they can from Rossi’s project to help them in their own work on LENR).

For this technology to go forward, it needs to be funded for R & D and so on. The best way to do that is to preserve its profit potential for future customers, who no doubt will want to preserve the reactor’s patents as well as anything about the process that can be labels proprietary.

Seems to me that can only be done by limiting the public disclosures to those necessary to attract R&D funding and venture capital.

[fightinJAG]

Now that’s a very nice analysis.

What, in your view, would be the goal of Rossi’s scam?

Who is he trying to scam and what’s in it for him?

[Wonder Warthog]

"We'll just ignore the generator that remained hooked up to the eCat for the test... And I'm not convinced by the rhetorical questions about why Rossi would risk his reputation on being found out as a fraud. Con men never worry about reputations; they just care about getting their hands on your money!"

Do you "honestly" think that there weren't power meters hooked up to that generator?? There have been in EVERY OTHER test.

Actually, using the generator is perfectly understandable. The 1MW E-Cat is designed and assembled to be run from a single power input. Rossi had two choices, have the landlord of his facility install a high-power link to the grid (which would be of no further use after the test), OR, rent a portable generator of appropriate size and quality, hook it up, do the test, and drive it away afterwards. Precisely what a good engineer would do.

The generator runs throughout the test, and at reduced load during the "self-sustaining" phase when the individual E-Cat heaters are turned off in order to run the pumps circulating the coolant, and the other relevant equipment (instrumentation, controllers, etc.)

I would hope that more data from the test will be released, but we'll simply have to "wait and see".