1MW eCat Post Mortem

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[Kevmo]

1MW eCat Post Mortem
admin on October 30, 2011 — 99 Comments
The 1MW test is complete. When you cut through the clutter, we are told that the device ran for around five and a half hours in self-sustain mode at a rate approaching half a megawatt. On the surface, it appears to have been highly successful .

As expected, we do not know the identity of the customer and much rests on this. According to Dr Rossi, they have accepted the machine and he will now be paid. It appears that the customer was in charge; its own engineers selecting the location of thermocouples, the test criteria and how long the run should last to satisfy them. They had free access and appeared to be more than happy at the end of the day. Since the requirements of science and business do not always meet, it will be some time before sceptics believe this is true. For business, the financial markets and governments to take notice, all we need to know is that this customer was competent and independent of the eCat team .

eCatNews followed the event throughout the day. That post and those that followed provide a good snapshot and will link you to the parts of the Net important to the 28 Oct test .

My confidence has been raised – but until we know the identity of the customer, I am not ready to jump with both feet. Rossi had the following to say about that:
Andrea Rossi
October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Dear Max: The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do. I do not know if and when they will want to make public statements and I am bound to a strict non disclosure agreement. Warm Regards, A.R .

This is not suspicious but neatly skirts the hope of nailing this thing down so that it continually frustrates our grasp at certainty .

A genuine company, having taken delivery of such a thing, now belongs to the rare club that knows for a fact if this is real or not. If it is real then that knowledge on its own is extraordinarily valuable – either as a means to invest in the tech while confusion confounds potential competitors or as intelligence to inform playing the markets (assuming it is not a Government body or NGO). Shorting (for instance) a sector dominated by high-risk energy projects like the Canadian Tar Sands (or any other project where the value depends on high oil prices well into the future) would not be considered insider trading because all of this information is out there on the Net and because that information is about potentially competing technology and not the target companies themselves .

Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .

[If you wish to put some flesh on the outline above, eCatNews Brief 1 summarises the cold fusion story, while eCatNews Brief 2 looks at Andrea Rossi's eCat

[Kevmo]

They don’t have all that much reason to be so secretive if they are the end customer.

Also, it does not match what Rossi said, that the customer is a big, well-known european industrial company.

[barracuda1412]

you have a problem with english comprehension.

I did not say that Rossi built a Ni/K battery and shorted it.

Unbeknownst to Rossi, he built a Ni/K reactor which performs worse than a conventional Ni/K battery. A shorted battery produces only heat. Rossi’s reactor produces only heat and low-grade heat at that. If ever Rossi’s reactor is used to produce electricity, its efficiency will be much worse than that of a Ni/K battery which converts chemical energy directly into electric work.

[fightinJAG]

Or like a plant.

[muawiyah]

First question, where did he hide that 45X8X12 "battery"?

Or, has he produced a more efficient design?

Second question, when's the last time you shorted a battery that size ~ and have they grafted on new hands yet? Bet that twanged the old thunker too! Boi-oi-oi-oinnnnggggggg .

BTW, you short these things out they drain to ground pretty doggone quick.

[AdmSmith]

Here http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3303693.ece/BINARY/Report+Ecat+Oct28+(pdf) is the sloppy test report. It was written before the test (in Italian English?) and the conclusions was as well written prior to the test.

the source is http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece

If Rossi really wanted to have his gadget tested it is very easy, but he is not doing that. No Nobel prize is issued for answering why.

[fishtank]

Could you remove me from the cold fusion ping list?

Thank you.

[RoadGumby]

Ummm, what?

How does a uclear eactor, the process of fission violate Laws of Thermodynamics?

[RoadGumby]

Ummm, what? Ho0w does a nuclear reactor, the process of fission violate the Laws of Thermodynamics?

[RoadGumby]

sheesh, typos.

How does a nuclear reactor, the process of fission, violate the Laws of Thermodynamics

[mamelukesabre]

it doesn’t and neither does fusion...which is my point.

[RoadGumby]

Apologize for the mis-read, the post was a bit ambiguous without a sarc tag. Sorry.

[Kevmo]

done

[Jack of all Trades]

..Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses ...

Sounds like the cold light of reality is finally dawning 8]

[editor-surveyor]

>> “I don’t know how much stuff I gave him, nor how many times he gave me glowing progress reports, before I finally figured out he was full of beans.” <<

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LOL! - Anyone that has paid any attention to your posts knows that you’re not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but did you have to post this to prove it?

[editor-surveyor]

Einstein reporting?

Yes, all the nuclear reactors on Earth “violate the Laws of Thermodynamics.” LOL!

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Fusing elements heavier than iron...” <<

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But Hydrogen tends to be somewhat lighter than Iron, or any other element. How are your Light Iron experiments going?

[freedomlover]

I am a patent attorney, practicing for 27 years.
If I had a dime for every guy that said he had a perpetual motion device, I would have, well, several dollars.

I will give you one thing, though, some of them REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY believe they have done it.

I mean REALLY.

FWIW
FL

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fusing anything to create elements heavier than iron absorb energy.

[freedomlover]

“when I was a kid, a new kid showed up at school one day. He convinced me he was building a go-kart, and if I could just give him some parts, it would be his and mine and would be really cool. I don’t know how much stuff I gave him, nor how many times he gave me glowing progress reports, before I finally figured out he was full of beans.

He probably grew up to become a stockbroker or something. Or maybe a scientist... “

---

Nope - Director of Social Security.

[Kevmo]

How many of them demonstrated the device to a customer who paid for it and hauled it off? How many of them had a Nobel prize winning phycisist make a video backing the technology?

My guess is none.