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You Cannot Have It Both Ways (Global Warming)
IceCap ^ | 10/29/2011 | Harold Ambler

Posted on 10/30/2011 2:04:34 PM PDT by Signalman

I spent 25 years of my life worried about global warming. And one of the best proofs that the scientists and the media both had to keep me convinced was warmer winters, with less snow. Al Gore talked about it. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wrote about it. Dozens of scientists published papers showing that winters were getting warmer, with less snow.

Well, in the midst of this kind of certainty about warmer winters, with less snow, some scientists, among them a Russian named Habibullo Abdussamatov, dared to question the idea that warmer winters, with less snow, were caused by carbon dioxide in the first place and also questioned whether Earth would continue to warm during the next few decades.

Abdussamatov and the rest of the skeptical scientists were widely ridiculed, even condemned. Corrupt, sub-human, blind, people called them. And worse.

They were none of these things.

Then, a funny thing started happening a couple of autumns ago. First, significant early-season snow events began to materialize during fall. Second, winters in the Northern Hemisphere started to show characteristics of the winters that Al Gore and RFK Jr. said they missed so much.

But now, in our era of terror of weather, the return to colder winters, with more snow, has been twisted by the same people who missed the colder winters, with more snow, of their youth. These new cold winters, with more snow, were not evidence of natural climate cycles, they said. The snow was, in fact, caused by global warming. This is what they said. And I have to believe that it is what they meant.

But it cannot continue. The science claiming that the unfolding transition to colder winters, with more snow, is proof of global warming is bad science. And turning an entire generation of people into nature-fearers is a grave sin.

The ocean-atmosphere system did not used to sit in benevolent stasis. Sea level did not used to remain ever stable. Droughts are not a product of modernity, and they are not increasing in number. And early-season snowstorms like the one unfolding in the Northeast were never proof of global warming. Not when they happened in the past, and not now.

To Mr. Gore, and his still passionate supporters, I say this: You cannot have it both ways. You cannot count the absence of snow as proof of your theories and the presence of snow as the proof of your theories.

We’re smarter than that. And you’re going have to do better, if you wish to win this debate.

Halloween is this weekend or Monday. Already before Halloween, two snowstorms have hit the east bringing record October snows. New York City’s snow is greatest for October since records began in 1869.

The excuse they used the last few years was that the snow and cold was the result of strong blocking high pressure in the arctic pushing cold air south. Well that is NOT currently hapoening. So how does one explain the cold and snow??? Or the fact that winters have cooled 4.13F the last decade for the lower 48 states. Every region has cooled.


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KEYWORDS: abdussamatovclimate; agw; global; globalcooling; globalwarming; habibullo; icecap; russia; warming
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1 posted on 10/30/2011 2:04:39 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman; Nervous Tick; SteamShovel; Tunehead54; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 10/30/2011 2:10:19 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Signalman
The science claiming that the unfolding transition to colder winters, with more snow, is proof of global warming is bad science. And turning an entire generation of people into nature-fearers is a grave sin.

Liberals will terrify the young for political gain - shame on them. Shame on them.

3 posted on 10/30/2011 2:12:04 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: Signalman

Just a learning point for people who have to show the degrees symbol in their computer typing. such as 4.13°F.

It is really quite simple. While holding down the alt key, also type the numbers 0176 at the same time.


4 posted on 10/30/2011 2:14:35 PM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Signalman
Tell the Iguanas that were falling from the tree's in Miami last winter, how this globull warming is going. I live in the Ocala National Forest and my above ground pool had surface ice on over 1/2” think and it stayed there for 3 days most of the time, my pool froze like that 4 times. It only froze 2 times in 2 different years before!!
Thank goodness I live in Central Florida!!!
5 posted on 10/30/2011 2:19:39 PM PDT by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: Signalman
Y'jess ain' payin' 'tenshun ...

This is a cycle and ...

Wait a minute ...

I mean ... it's sort'a like a cycle but not really and it's snowin' and cold early because .... it's colder .... because ..... it's ..... warmer.

I can't explain it, but I know it's true.

(do I really need /s ? )

6 posted on 10/30/2011 2:22:25 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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7 posted on 10/30/2011 2:25:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: GOPJ

You got it! bttt


8 posted on 10/30/2011 2:26:44 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Signalman

Global warming believers just aren’t very good at matching up data and spotting discrepancies. I’m guessing a good bit of that is deliberate ignorance.

I on the other hand actually had a decent education and was taught true critical thinking in school and at home.

Last night while watching a show about ice age mega fauna it was pointed out that climate change couldn’t have killed them because wild climate swings in just a few decades left them pretty much unaffected. Today, while watching a show about climate change, it was stated that climate change will lead to vast extinction events.

People today have trouble spotting the discrepancies in those two shows because they weren’t right side by side.


9 posted on 10/30/2011 2:28:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Signalman.
You cannot count the absence of snow as proof of your theories and the presence of snow as the proof of your theories.You cannot count the absence of snow as proof of your theories and the presence of snow as the proof of your theories.
Sure they can -- it's called "lying".


10 posted on 10/30/2011 2:28:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Signalman

Actually, you can have it both ways. You just change the scare words “global warming” to “climate change”.

That way, if its getting warm, you tell everyone its a bad thing and the answer is a command economy (with you in command, of course).

If its getting colder, you tell everyone its bad and the answer is... a command economy with you in command. If the temperatures don’t change, and fat chance of that, you tell everyone thats abnormal and again the answer is a command economy with you in charge.

Its easy once you figure out the game. Anyone can play.


11 posted on 10/30/2011 2:28:40 PM PDT by marron
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To: LooneyTick

I have friends in Citrus County. They said not so much citrus can be grown there like it used to be because the winters are too cold now and the freezes too frequent.


12 posted on 10/30/2011 2:33:34 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: Signalman

Dear signalman, you must believe AlGore, we all must believe Algore, because he has decided that we are not smart enough, like he is smart, to realize that two opposed ideas are the same idea and mean the same.

And it is the same way, with Obama and democratic elite who know all and it and can thus be at peace with all evidence for and against means only what they want it to mean.

Long live studying historical cycles and ignoring rigged computer programs. remember GIGO .


13 posted on 10/30/2011 2:34:53 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Signalman

Dear signalman, you must believe AlGore, we all must believe Algore, because he has decided that we are not smart enough, like he is smart, to realize that two opposed ideas are the same idea and mean the same.

And it is the same way, with Obama and democratic elite who know all and it and can thus be at peace with all evidence for and against means only what they want it to mean.

Long live studying historical cycles and ignoring rigged computer programs. remember GIGO .


14 posted on 10/30/2011 2:35:17 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: mazda77

Cool, I would love to use more symbols... thanks!

Check out Obama the Üniter!

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15 posted on 10/30/2011 2:40:11 PM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: Signalman

They never seem to give that great big burning thing in the sky any credit at all. The big burning thing goes through cycles of more and less sunspots which just might have some slight effect. That darn thing is so hot I can even feel it on my skin./sarc


16 posted on 10/30/2011 2:52:26 PM PDT by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: scottteng

Maybe a few of the “scientists” would be wise to seek counsel with an accomplished scientist and engineer, Burt Rutan.

http://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm


17 posted on 10/30/2011 3:04:05 PM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Signalman
Me, I am still waiting for icebergs in the Gulf of Mexico as promised in the early 1970s.
18 posted on 10/30/2011 4:18:36 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Past Your Eyes

In Sydney, Australia, the beach side retailers have had several poor years - they rely upon the summer heat waves to bring crowds. But in recent times, there has been a lack of true, sweltering, Sydney summers.


19 posted on 10/30/2011 4:59:06 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Signalman
Or the fact that winters have cooled 4.13F the last decade for the lower 48 states. Every region has cooled.

Checkout this PDF link from NOAA/NCDC:

Winter Trends in the United States the Last Decade

Winter temperatures in every region of the country decline. The winter temperature declines range from -1.34°F/decade in California/Nevada to -8.74°F/decade in the East North Central Region. Very impressive and this from the agency (NOAA) that is pushing the global warming crap.

20 posted on 10/30/2011 9:35:13 PM PDT by CedarDave (Sarah's out; need a new tagline...)
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