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Gone in 60 nanoseconds - ( Faster than light possible? )
WaPo ^
| October 6, 2011
| Charles Krauthammer
Posted on 10/07/2011 8:47:49 AM PDT by re_tail20
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posted on
10/07/2011 8:47:52 AM PDT
by
re_tail20
To: re_tail20
everything we know about the universe is wrongPainting with a pretty broad brush. Everything THEY know...
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posted on
10/07/2011 8:52:08 AM PDT
by
bigheadfred
(But alas)
To: re_tail20
...these same scientists immediately requested that other labs around the world try to replicate the experiment. The way science used to work, the global warming guys should try this method.
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posted on
10/07/2011 8:53:08 AM PDT
by
Slicksadick
(Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
To: re_tail20
The implications of such a discovery are so mind-boggling, however, that these same scientists immediately requested that other labs around the world try to replicate the experiment. Everyone knows that real scientists (like climatologists) bury the raw data, claim that their results are undeniable and set up the stake for a heretic burning for anyone who denies their claims.
A 60 nanosecond difference over 454 miles would be 0.0025% faster than the speed of light. There's lots of room for experimental error of that scale.
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posted on
10/07/2011 8:59:18 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
To: re_tail20
Everything we know about the universe is wrong.Nope. I know that my Redeemer liveth.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:00:13 AM PDT
by
Dr. Thorne
(Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
To: re_tail20
Was that faster than twitter?
And I thought that the science was settled?
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:01:18 AM PDT
by
Tanniker Smith
(I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
To: re_tail20
Come one people...according to the leftist godless scientists like Lawrence Krauss the universe was created from a random quantum fluctuation and it happened without a “god”. End of story./sarc
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:03:12 AM PDT
by
blasater1960
(Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
To: re_tail20
“then everything we know about the universe is wrong”
Even if faster than light travel is possible, this isn’t true. It’s hyperbole. Was everything we knew about the universe wrong when Newton was proved wrong? No. We still follow him, in the limited shpere where he applies (i.e. inbetween atoms and planets), like we’ve done since the 17th century. We’ve stuck with Einstein despite his system being overturned by quantum physics, which some people date to five years before his development of the Special Theory of Relativity.
We will stick with nearly everything we know, if this is true, except that which is directly affected by the possibility of faster than light travel.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:04:22 AM PDT
by
Tublecane
To: re_tail20
Story on /. says that what was not taken into account was gravity and its distortion of time.
"Two weeks ago, researchers claimed particles called neutrinos were travelling faster-than-light and violating the laws of special relativity. But now it looks as though general relativity might be behind the experiment's unusual result. An independent analysis claims that the original experiment, known as OPERA, failed to take into account differences in earth's gravitational field between the neutrino source and the OPERA detector. As Nature News reports, gravity can distort time according to Einstein's theory, and the effect could explain why neutrinos appear to arrive 60 nanoseconds ahead of schedule. The OPERA team is now reviewing the new analysis."
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:05:20 AM PDT
by
Michael Barnes
(Obamaa+ Downgrade)
To: KarlInOhio
When I read stories like this, I'm always reminded of this quote....
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" - Richard Feynmen
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:09:04 AM PDT
by
lormand
(A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
To: re_tail20
The speed of light is inviolable. The science is settled. Deniers.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:10:50 AM PDT
by
steveyp
To: re_tail20
Maybe the receiving site was moving towards the sending site (e.g. the Earth's rotation) in terms of a fixed point in the Universe. The neutrinos, which are notoriously indifferent to the medium they are passing through, would therefore have less distance to travel and everything would be alright.
To: KarlInOhio
A 60 nanosecond difference over 454 miles Measuring 60 nsec differences on oscilloscopes is routine.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:32:29 AM PDT
by
Donald Rumsfeld Fan
("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
To: re_tail20
There is pretty good theory/mathematics now that show FTL is possible.
The only limitation being that you cannot travel AT the speed of light.
How that works with the Lorentz transformations, I am not sure.
Beyond Einstein’s Unified Field:
Gravity and Electromagnetism Redefined
John Brandenburg, Ph.D.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:35:29 AM PDT
by
djf
(Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Measuring 60 nsec differences on oscilloscopes is routine. Even when you are on the 500µs/division setting to get the entire 2.44ms travel time on the screen at once?
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:39:01 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
To: Tublecane
We will stick with nearly everything we know, if this is true, except that which is directly affected by the possibility of faster than light travel. cosmology will be affected hugely. distances are measured/calculated assuming light speed is constant. And E=Mc^2 needs to be rethought/modified.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:42:10 AM PDT
by
Donald Rumsfeld Fan
("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
To: lormand
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" - Richard Feynmen read my tag line.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:44:15 AM PDT
by
Donald Rumsfeld Fan
("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
To: KarlInOhio
Even when you are on the 500µs/division setting to get the entire 2.44ms travel time on the screen at once? you need a special scope, or maybe a precise delay filter.
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:52:00 AM PDT
by
Donald Rumsfeld Fan
("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
To: re_tail20
“Man will never break the sound barrier....it’s impossible”
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posted on
10/07/2011 9:55:08 AM PDT
by
Psycho_Bunny
(Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
To: Psycho_Bunny
"Man will never break the sound barrier....its impossible" Bad comparison. First, whoever originally said that was an idiot. It was never impossible, it was just hard. Second, the sound barrier was only ever a technological issue, not an issue involving the fundamental character of the universe.
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posted on
10/07/2011 10:07:02 AM PDT
by
mlo
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