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1 posted on 09/18/2011 11:27:22 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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Lew Rockwell's blog mentions the subject here, with links.
2 posted on 09/18/2011 11:28:25 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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--always find it disgusting that the old Commies mostly got to die in bed-

-and that Hollywood which still (rightfully) paints Nazis as villians never has a badword even for the likes of Stalin or Lenin---

3 posted on 09/18/2011 11:32:05 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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Soviet is the equal of Nazi, as Mao is the equal of Hitler, and now we have the up and coming Obama who would surpass all the worlds despots, if only he could.


4 posted on 09/18/2011 11:35:52 AM PDT by pallis
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Aided by the Leftists around the world. Sadly if you try to explain to people about the Evil of Communism you get shouted down and then they recite the tired lines about Corporations.


5 posted on 09/18/2011 11:38:09 AM PDT by jakerobins
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Do an internet search on “Ukraine famine.”


6 posted on 09/18/2011 11:38:45 AM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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Yes, our academic historians, our entertainment industry, our media, etc. have ignored the plague that communism has been in the world. Stalin was one of the most heinous mass murderers in human history, but no one uses his name as a derogatory political label the way Hitler's is used.

There are tons of movies about the Nazi's and HItler, but I can't recall any in recent memory about the evil of communism, the suffering in the USSR, or the heinous crimes of Stalin and others. Why wasn't the Gulag Archipelago ever made into a movie, or documentary series etc. (there was a French documentary, but I'm not aware of an American one)? Why isn't it required reading in high school, or college? Why aren't there movies about the victory of America and the West over the USSR and communism in the cold war?

Recently a Freeper commented that the American left only supported WWII because we were fighting on the same side as the Soviet Union. I think there is probably an element of truth to this.

8 posted on 09/18/2011 11:41:43 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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Please note the reference to "EUSSR: The Soviet Roots of European Integration"
9 posted on 09/18/2011 11:41:43 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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Uh....could it be because the Historians tasked with sifting through the records actually agreed with and supported what the Soviets were trying to do? Can I get a DUH! from the crowd??


10 posted on 09/18/2011 11:44:13 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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“Yet he can’t get anyone to house them in a reputable library, publish them, or fund their translation. In fact, he can’t get anyone to take much interest in them at all.”

Wikileaks?


12 posted on 09/18/2011 11:54:31 AM PDT by vladimir998
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Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?

I thought Putin closed the Soviet archives back in 2001.

15 posted on 09/18/2011 12:04:05 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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Read about the reception of the Black Book of Communism.
17 posted on 09/18/2011 12:12:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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Where are the conservatives and libertarians? Those groups have people of wealth and they have think tank organizations that publish all kinds of stuff.


19 posted on 09/18/2011 12:26:12 PM PDT by decimon
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Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?

Because western academia is still full of communists. Similarly, nazi era documents related to the neo-pagan aspects of nazism have never been translated.

20 posted on 09/18/2011 12:27:29 PM PDT by fso301
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The Communist Book of the Dead was published, and there are publishers and Think Tanks aplenty. I find it hard to believe that we’re getting the whole story, here.


21 posted on 09/18/2011 12:30:42 PM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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Most american’s are indifferent to evil. The soviets were the focus of evil in the modern world.


22 posted on 09/18/2011 12:32:45 PM PDT by OldCorps
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Oh yeah, publicizing those files would do ‘our’ media and academia so much good...

Hard to understand why those bright patriots would want the info suppressed...

I’m stumped!


23 posted on 09/18/2011 12:40:25 PM PDT by mrsmith
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Don’t I know it.

Although, my personal ultimate synonym for “evil” is “Islam”.


24 posted on 09/18/2011 12:54:50 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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Here's clue: If a depot wants to remain in power he must confine his murders to his own citizens. If he does so no other government in the world will complain too strenuously and certainly none will move against him just for the reason of killing his own.
27 posted on 09/18/2011 1:26:20 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Thank you for posting this fascinating article. This snippet is interesting for those who haven’t read the article in its entirety:

“And what of Zagladin’s description of his dealings with our own current vice president in 1979?

“Unofficially, [Senator Joseph] Biden and [Senator Richard] Lugar said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for “human rights.” . . . In other words, the collocutors directly admitted that what is happening is a kind of a show, that they absolutely do not care for the fate of most so-called dissidents.

“Remarkably, the world has shown little interest in the unread Soviet archives. That paragraph about Biden is a good example. Stroilov and Bukovsky coauthored a piece about it for the online magazine FrontPage on October 10, 2008; it passed without remark. Americans considered the episode so uninteresting that even Biden’s political opponents didn’t try to turn it into political capital. Imagine, if you can, what it must feel like to have spent the prime of your life in a Soviet psychiatric hospital, to know that Joe Biden is now vice president of the United States, and to know that no one gives a damn.”


29 posted on 09/18/2011 1:47:03 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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I probably should have posted these excerpts:
And a transcript of Gorbachev’s conversation with Hans-Jochen Vogel, the leader of West Germany’s Social Democratic Party, shows Gorbachev defending Soviet troops’ April 9, 1989, massacre of peaceful protesters in Tbilisi.

According to Zagladin’s reports, for example, Kenneth Coates, who from 1989 to 1998 was a British member of the European Parliament, approached Zagladin on January 9, 1990, to discuss what amounted to a gradual merger of the European Parliament and the Supreme Soviet.

Or consider a report on Francisco Fernández Ordóñez, who led Spain’s integration into the European Community as its foreign minister. ...Eighteen months later, Ordóñez told Gorbachev: “I feel intellectual disgust when I have to read, for example, passages in the documents of ‘G7’ where the problems of democracy, freedom of human personality and ideology of market economy are set on the same level. As a socialist, I cannot accept such an equation.”

Perhaps most shockingly, the Eastern European press has reported that Stroilov’s documents suggest that François Mitterrand was maneuvering with Gorbachev to ensure that Germany would unite as a neutral, socialist entity under a Franco-Soviet condominium.

...the former leader of the British Labour Party, Neil Kinnock,approached Gorbachev—unauthorized, while Kinnock was leader of the opposition—through a secret envoy to discuss the possibility of halting the United Kingdom’s Trident nuclear-missile program. In 2004, and his wife, Glenys, is now Britain’s minister for Europe. Gerard Batten, a member of the UK Independence Party, has noted the significance of the episode. “If the report given to Mr. Gorbachev is true, it means that Lord Kinnock approached one of Britain’s enemies in order to seek approval regarding his party’s defense policy and, had he been elected, Britain’s defense policy,” Batten said to the European Parliament in 2009. “If this report is true, then Lord Kinnock would be guilty of treason.”

Similarly, Baroness Catherine Ashton, who is now the European Union’s foreign minister, was treasurer of Britain’s Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament from 1980 to 1982. The papers offer evidence that this organization received “unidentified income” from the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Stroilov’s papers suggest as well that the government of the current Spanish EU commissioner for economic and monetary affairs, Joaquín Almunia, enthusiastically supported the Soviet project of gradually unifying Germany and Europe into a socialist “common European home” and strongly opposed the independence of the Baltic states and then of Ukraine.


30 posted on 09/18/2011 1:50:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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