Now this next statement of yours if funny because you contradict yourself. Let me lay this out for you because we all got a good laugh out of it.
I too have never said, "FDR knew that Pearl Harbor was going to get hit by the Japanese and intentionally allowed his fleet to get surprised and sunk."What I do say, and evidence fully supports, is that top leaders in Washington, including FDR, knew or suspected the coming Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
That is comic gold dude.
As to the failed to adequately warn, we can go into that when its more timely.
Again you offer no proof of FDR's knowledge of the McCollum memo. But thanks for the continued wild speculation. There are a couple of people who signed off on that memo, it doesn't mean that it ever got any traction. Most correspondence of this type never do.
Now I have already gone over the individual actions on this memo last month. Like I've told you before, I will not hold your hand with this stuff. You need to start paying attention. Put those search skill of yours to work and go find them. I've already given you a hint. I suspect that you might be able to locate it based on that. The amusing thing is that you have not been able to piece this together just from my last post. Not surprising that you couldn't wrap your head around it, but amusing nonetheless.
And again, with the 5 that did happen. They were all reasonable actions to take. It's not about what would cause war or peace, it's about what a reasonable action is. An escalation of the diplomatic pressure on a hostile nation by embargo is a reasonable action. Especially in the light of the failure of appeasement. The continued support of an already decided action is a reasonable action. The deployment of two submarine divisions to a defensive area when war is appearing to become immanent is a reasonable action.
Even McCollum would agree with this. After the war McCollum stated that the action taken in 1940 and 1941 "were but a logical extension of American foreign policy at least as old as John Hay and his Open Door Policy, especially as far as Japan was concerned by President Theodore Roosevelt’s dispatch of the American fleet to the Pacific and thence around the world in 1907.”
McCollum's memo wasn't contemporary. In fact in many ways it was almost redundant.
Now you do make one valid point. McCollum was a lowly Commander in Naval Intelligence. There is no evidence that this lowly commander's memo was ever received by FDR and therefore it is reasonable to assume that the actions taken were not related to that memo. And again you have offered nothing new that would lead any rational person to believe that this memo was the cornerstone of American policy.
Again, if you believe that FDR provoked the Japanese, then you are already half of a "conspiracy nut" yourself.
Then it only remains to show that Washington knew, or suspected, an attack was coming on Pearl Harbor, but failed to adequately warn Hawaii's commanders.
Slowly, slowly, you're coming around, pal. ;-)
CougarGA7: "That is comic gold dude."
Only to a denier such as yourself.
The fact is, that Washington did fail to adequately warn commanders in Hawaii.
The question is, did Washington know or suspect an attack was coming on Hawaii?
The well known answer is that at least some in Washington did suspect, and wanted to send additional warnings, but were not allowed to.
Indeed, other warnings were sent but mysteriously arrived too late.
None of this is in dispute, but all of it occurred in the final hours before the attack.
What's in dispute is how many, if any, warnings Washington received before those final hours.
And even some of these are not disputed -- for example, Ambassador Grew's warning from early in 1941.
But virtually all of the (many) other warnings are disputed.
The issue is, whether any of them are true, or are they all just figments of somebody's imagination?
I doubt if they are all false, and my reason is precisely the systematic efforts made to dispute, discredit, destroy data and -- even today! -- keep much of the record secret.
The government is obviously still hiding something, and what else could it be than evidence of Washington's prior knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack?
CougarGA7: "Again you offer no proof of FDR's knowledge of the McCollum memo...
There are a couple of people who signed off on that memo, it doesn't mean that it ever got any traction.
Most correspondence of this type never do."
The fact that McCollum's eight actions were more-or-less accomplished tells us that he was thinking right along the same lines as his commander in chief, President Roosevelt.
CougarGA7: "Now I have already gone over the individual actions on this memo last month."
Untrue. You have never systematically addressed each of McCollum's eight recommended actions.
CougarGA7: "You need to start paying attention. Put those search skill of yours to work and go find them."
Produce the links, pal.
CougarGA7: "They were all reasonable actions to take.
It's not about what would cause war or peace, it's about what a reasonable action is.
An escalation of the diplomatic pressure on a hostile nation by embargo is a reasonable action.
Especially in the light of the failure of appeasement.
The continued support of an already decided action is a reasonable action.
The deployment of two submarine divisions to a defensive area when war is appearing to become immanent is a reasonable action."
And you call yourself a scholar?
"Reasonable" in support of what goal?
If Roosevelt's goal was peace with Japan, then all of his actions were totally unreasonable, since Japan was determined to conquer a large empire, and the only chance for FDR to keep the peace was to offer Japan something major it wanted (i.e., a non-aggression pact).
Any firm resistance to Japanese aggression was bound, at some point, to lead to war, and this was just what the President wanted, in 1941.
CougarGA7: "After the war McCollum stated that the action taken in 1940 and 1941 'were but a logical extension of American foreign policy at least as old as John Hay and his Open Door Policy, especially as far as Japan was concerned by President Theodore Roosevelt’s dispatch of the American fleet to the Pacific and thence around the world in 1907.' "
McCollum's memo proves beyond doubt that McCollum was fully capable of clear thinking.
So this statement by McCollum is an exercise in obfuscation.
CougarGA7: "McCollum's memo wasn't contemporary. In fact in many ways it was almost redundant."
Now you're starting to get the right idea.
Think of McCollum's memo as "redundant" because it simply expressed what was already well understood by top leadership in Washington.
McCollum's memo simply held a mirror up to the policies his superiors were already pursuing -- no doubt, a mirror which reflected those policies far more clearly than FDR's inner circle would ever really want to see in writing.
Franklin Roosevelt was a master of secrecy and mis-direction, so he might not be comfortable reading McCollum's words.
Nevertheless, he eventually executed all of McCollum's recommended actions.